(;GM[1]FF[4]AP[glGo:1.0]ST[1] GN[Catalin Taranu 5p (black) vs Ondrej Silt 6d, Toyota Pandanet European Go Tour, Czechia, Brno, rnd 4] SZ[19]KM[6.0] PW[brnogames]WR[6d]PB[brnogames]BR[6d]TM[0:00]DT[2004-09-04]PC[IGS-PandaNet]CP[Copyright (c) PANDANET Inc. 2004] ;B[qd] ;W[dc] ;B[dq] ;W[co] ;B[pp] ;W[oc] ;B[de] ;W[ee] ;B[ef] ;W[ed] ;B[df] ;W[cd] ;B[gf] ;W[hd] ;B[dd] ;W[ec] ;B[dl] ;W[em] ;B[el] ;W[dm] ;B[fm] ;W[cl] ;B[ck] ;W[cm] ;B[fl] ;W[bk] ;B[cj] ;W[bj] ;B[fp] ;W[ci] ;B[kq] ;W[ei] ;B[gi] ;W[if] ;B[fi] ;W[pe] ;B[lj] ;W[qe] ;B[kf] ;W[hf] ;B[oj] ;W[pn] ;B[nn] ;W[ii] ;B[qg] ;W[qp] ;B[qq] ;W[qo] ;B[pq] ;W[qk] ;B[ik] ;W[lh] ;B[lc] ;W[jc] ;B[jb] ;W[ib] ;B[kh] ;W[ki] ;B[li] ;W[kg] ;B[mh] ;W[jh] ;B[mf] ;W[jk] ;B[pd] ;W[od] ;B[re] ;W[rd] ;B[rc] ;W[sd] ;B[sc] ;W[qc] ;B[se] ;W[rd] ;B[jl] ;W[kk] ;B[kl] ;W[lk] ;B[lg]C[ kitsune 4k* lenmaipen 4d blunt 3d* pilgrim 1d* danc04 28k ATSUI 5d* guest6799 NR bock 6k* guest6457 NR whale 6d* boruveg 14k* NakaNaka 5d io 1d* killme 1d* maino 13k* tanGo 7k guest6903 NR BlackWhite 2k* amoeba 28k weakw 3d* scribble 12k* D3592 4d* guest6686 NR hariama 4d* aroi 4d* td 3d* guest6947 NR haru 1k* hahyuu 3d* asterix 2d* Gofreak 2d* doubt 1d* Found 35 observers.] ;W[ng]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: 60 points?] ;B[kh] ;W[il] ;B[im] ;W[lh]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: now w has around 40 points] ;B[pg]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: william : did not see this possiblity brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: if w cut n13 to make big ko lenmaipen [ 4d \]: black seems confident of winning this ko brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: b immediately take ko and no answer for ko tread] ;W[hl]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: i think so too brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: b also thinking to kill w upper group] ;B[hm] ;W[hk] ;B[ej]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: so for w difficult to try big ko, n13.....] ;W[eh] ;B[ch] ;W[dk]C[pilgrim [ 1d*\]: beatiful move d9 pilgrim [ 1d*\]: beautiful:) lenmaipen [ 4d \]: d11? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: if b connect d10, w d11, after cutting Aji left 10f and f 13 Gofreak [ 2d*\]: is this live? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: yes Gofreak [ 2d*\]: are they playing on internet or face to face? brnogames [ 6d \]: face to face! brnogames [ 6d \]: we are sitting next to them lenmaipen [ 4d \]: r there any other pros watching them? whale [ 6d*\]: is Ondrej a pro?] ;B[bd]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: guo 5p she is still playing own game in tournament pilgrim [ 1d*\]: who is she playing with?] ;W[cc]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: Onderj was insei but not pro kitsune [ 4k*\]: not insei anymore? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: guo 5p vs Ichikawa 5d from Japan] ;B[fg]C[pilgrim [ 1d*\]: gote for b ...m13 now? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: Ondrej has been Japan for 3 years but couldn't succeed brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: i think b c12 was over play] ;W[pc]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: w cut d9 was sharp] ;B[kh] ;W[rf]C[lenmaipen [ 4d \]: back to moyo plan perhaps brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: now b again lost upper corner brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: but take ko in center] ;B[jg] ;W[hh] ;B[qb]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: next w q18, b t18!] ;W[pb] ;B[sb]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: sorry i didn't see b 18t brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: b can connect or s19 miai] ;W[kp]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: it's last chance! looking for live in big b moyo ikasam 4k Moridin 2d* kitsune 4k* lenmaipen 4d blunt 3d* pilgrim 1d* danc04 28k bock 6k* guest6457 NR whale 6d* boruveg 14k* NakaNaka 5d io 1d* maino 13k* guest6903 NR td 3d* guest6947 NR haru 1k* asterix 2d* Gofreak 2d* doubt 1d* guest6686 NR xgc 1d* scribble 12k* caspicum 3k HansWerner NR oo3o 3d* juggle 2k* weakw 3d* guest6965 NR ATSUI 5d* cwrk 4k* Found 35 observers.] ;B[lq] ;W[gn] ;B[fn]C[pilgrim [ 1d*\]: k7 next? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: if w k7, b 6k, w7L, b6L sacrificing 2 stones] ;W[jm]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: pilgrim, it your move!] ;B[km]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: sorry, b wants all! brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: :-)] ;W[jn] ;B[gm]C[pilgrim [ 1d*\]: yup...and it looks like he's goint to get it:) kitsune [ 4k*\]: w m6?] ;W[kn] ;B[lm] ;W[mn]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: if w m6, b6L] ;B[mm] ;W[mo]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: now w trying to live in b moyo!?] ;B[om]C[lenmaipen [ 4d \]: is this the last gamble?] ;W[no]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: i think so Mouse [ 1d \]: who's yuki? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: hi, my name yuki shigeno 2p Mouse [ 1d \]: are you recording the game live? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: yes, i'm commenting and recording Mouse [ 1d \]: cool :) asterix [ 2d*\]: looks liketrouble for black asterix [ 2d*\]: looks like trouble for black] ;B[oo] ;W[on] ;B[nm]C[juggle [ 2k*\]: do you think black can kill? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: with William from European Go center!] ;W[pl] ;B[ol]C[Mouse [ 1d \]: interesting way to connect ;-) brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: b have to kill !! kitsune [ 4k*\]: did b get greedy?] ;W[mq]C[Mouse [ 1d \]: i don't think so. Mouse [ 1d \]: white is just struggling :) juggle [ 2k*\]: maybe looking for a good place to resign:) brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: also w had to try it kitsune [ 4k*\]: can b easily defent l3 and q3 groups and kill at the same time? nomad [ 6d \]: hi, shigeno san brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: hi, i'm here lenmaipen [ 4d \]: how much time do they have left? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: i was leading...:) nomad [ 6d \]: she was leading? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: how about b n2? nomad [ 6d \]: W nidan bane brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: w 2 minutes left, b 10 brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: byo yomi is 15 stones in 5 minutes brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: then b cut 3o nomad [ 6d \]: then W p3 brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: b 4n nomad [ 6d \]: o4 nomad [ 6d \]: exchange? Mouse [ 1d \]: there's still a cut at r6 if liberty filled brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: ko is no good for b nomad [ 6d \]: sure, B takes q5, then W q2, followed by j3 pilgrim [ 1d*\]: it will be hard for w in byo yomi and so much to calculate nomad [ 6d \]: maybe W still lost... but he can go on a little bit longer brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: yes, now it is very complicated nomad [ 6d \]: maybe B can just j3 now brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: how about b 3k? nomad [ 6d \]: ah yes, maybe k3 even better than j3 ;-) nomad [ 6d \]: shigeno san tsuyoi ne :-) brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: :) !? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: then w attack corner... nomad [ 6d \]: hard to find a good attack.. nomad [ 6d \]: o2?] ;B[or]C[nomad [ 6d \]: n2 brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: o2 is better nomad [ 6d \]: need reading.. brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: if w o2, b o3 Mouse [ 1d \]: is ondrej on byoyomi yet? nomad [ 6d \]: after O2, B might O3] ;W[jq] ;B[mr]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: just started now Terugnemen: H3] ;W[hq]C[asterix [ 2d*\]: how much time for black ? brnogames [ 6d \]: william: j5? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: w f2? asterix [ 2d*\]: how much time left for black ? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: b byo yomi started vwu [ 6d*\]: hard to kill brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: really exciting game] ;B[gr] ;W[lp] ;B[io]C[nomad [ 6d \]: not sure i agree.... earlier, B M10 kiind of amateurish, catalin can do better] ;W[nr] ;B[nq] ;W[lr] ;B[mp] ;W[kr] ;B[mq] ;W[ip] ;B[ir]C[nomad [ 6d \]: also, t18 was much too early] ;W[hr]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: w can live Mouse [ 1d \]: how?] ;B[gp]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: ib 2k] ;W[gq] ;B[fr] ;W[fq]C[nomad [ 6d \]: just j1 also lives brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: b 2k cut?] ;B[er] ;W[jr] ;B[hs]C[nomad [ 6d \]: mute point now :-)] ;W[eq] ;B[dp] ;W[jo] ;B[gs]C[nomad [ 6d \]: k1 kitsune [ 4k*\]: yes. Mouse [ 1d \]: :) Mouse [ 1d \]: lives. hehe] ;W[ep] ;B[eo]C[brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: ! w lost to play 1g brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: it's big mistake kitsune [ 4k*\]: greed gets you into trouble.] ;W[do] ;B[bq]C[Mouse [ 1d \]: wow, cut?] ;W[in] ;B[ho] ;W[hn] ;B[fo]C[kitsune [ 4k*\]: now k1. brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: now w resigned weakw [ 3d*\]: how can b win? kitsune [ 4k*\]: oh. brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: it died! td [ 3d*\]: if w k1? td [ 3d*\]: then m1? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: j1 vwu [ 6d*\]: w alive td [ 3d*\]: k1-j1-m1 td [ 3d*\]: yes ikasam 4k Moridin 2d* kitsune 4k* lenmaipen 4d blunt 3d* danc04 28k bock 6k* maino 13k* guest6903 NR amoeba 28k td 3d* asterix 2d* doubt 1d* xgc 1d* caspicum 3k guest6965 NR guest6972 NR malf 4k* Mouse 1d guest6976 NR kona NR vwu 6d* Nickfz 1k* argaman 5k* nomad 6d sorin 4d* Goanna 4d* nicob 15k* kaleido 3d* scribble 12k* juggle 2k* gagaman 4k* guest4512 NR ATSUI 5d* guest7011 NR op 1k* guest6984 NR YAma3 1k* fis 4k* guest6457 NR gzlcd 1k* anthonylai 28k adege 1d* io 1d* calvinsun 2k* plum 1d* guest6982 NR YYYYY 5k* guest6686 NR cwang 4k* hEPI 1k Found 54 observers. Mouse [ 1d \]: if black kills h2 stones b won nomad [ 6d \]: W k1 lives, but then B has s8 kitsune [ 4k*\]: h2 stones can't be sacrificed? vwu [ 6d*\]: w h4 sente vwu [ 6d*\]: all alive nomad [ 6d \]: yes, but hard to defend B s8 nomad [ 6d \]: B s19 also sente... blunt [ 3d*\]: I still don't see why W resigned kitsune [ 4k*\]: me neither. asterix [ 2d*\]: something must be wrong with the recorded moves maino [13k*\]: how come bs19 sente? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: very strang things going on blunt [ 3d*\]: because O18, maino kitsune [ 4k*\]: yuki, what do you mean? maino [13k*\]: ok... thank you brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: because w was live! Mouse [ 1d \]: and ondrej resigned? td [ 3d*\]: then why did w resigned? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: i thought i was missing some stone when he resigned asterix [ 2d*\]: white cannot resign here ! brnogames [ 6d \]: kib but not bluremi [ 2k \]: you mean white should play semeai? lenmaipen [ 4d \]: ur saying Ondrej missed k1? brnogames [ 6d \]: kib he had another plan to get live bluremi [ 2k \]: K1 is gote I think, no? brnogames [ 6d \]: he missed just the obvioous way bluremi [ 2k \]: black J1 threatens J3 bluremi [ 2k \]: oops nevermind me kitsune [ 4k*\]: thanks for the comments, yuki! brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: thank you too! maino [13k*\]: ive never seen so many strong players commenting... thank you. this was a learning experience brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki:tomorrow we will have live comment again Moridin [ 2d*\]: thanks yuki brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: see you tomorrow! asterix [ 2d*\]: starting when ? brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: morning at 7:00 GMT? asterix [ 2d*\]: thx asterix [ 2d*\]: see you tomorrow cwang [ 4k*\]: game is over? why not W H4 then k1? please comment...thx brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: the game is over b won calvinsun [ 2k*\]: uh.... asterix [ 2d*\]: no, this is not the right position, cwang asterix [ 2d*\]: something was wrong in recording the moves cwang [ 4k*\]: oh.. thank you. Moridin [ 2d*\]: nobody actually said that, though :) asterix [ 2d*\]: here, you are right, white lives easyly with h4 and k1 brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: i thought same as you but not! w thought the big group is killed..... lenmaipen [ 4d \]: white only thought of j3 i guess brnogames [ 6d \]: yuki: everybody is surprised! asterix [ 2d*\]: incredible ! lenmaipen [ 4d \]: 3 long games in day proves too much Moridin [ 2d*\]: seems impossible for a former insei :) brnogames [ 6d \]: thanks for jooining this incredible game! malf [ 4k*\]: thanks for bringing it to us :) brnogames [ 6d \]: see you tomorrow, 6:30 GMT brnogames [ 6d \]: see you tomorrow, 6:30 GMT, round 5])