(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[20/600 Canadian] GN[Czech Republic Go Championship top group - board #1]PW[Radek Nechanicky]PB[Jan Simara]WR[6d]BR[5d]DT[2009-07-04]EV[Czech Republic Go Championship 2009]RO[5]PC[Libcice nad Vltavou]WT[HipHop]BT[BUM]US[Pasky]RE[B+1.50] ;B[qe]C[mcw85 [8k\]: Go BUM! johnny [6k\]: which one Bum? MR2009 [-\]: black MR2009 [-\]: the players are getting some coffee yet johnny [6k\]: is W last yr champ? MR2009 [-\]: no MR2009 [-\]: Ondrej Silt is MR2009 [-\]: this time he is playing on the third board MR2009 [-\]: you'll be able to watch the video streams of the boards again very soon MR2009 [-\]: i'm just getting it to work johnny [6k\]: what time is it there? MR2009 [-\]: 9:39 local time ] ;W[dc] ;B[pq]C[mcw85 [8k\]: Thank you for broadcasting. ] ;W[dp] ;B[fq]C[MR2009 [-\]: ok, the streams should be working! ] ;W[cn] ;B[ip]C[MR2009 [-\]: *** You can watch streams of video of first four boards, see my info for details! xDragon [19k\]: is silt playing? MR2009 [-\]: yes, on third board ] ;W[qn] ;B[po] ;W[rp]C[xDragon [19k\]: ah, not up here yet ] ;B[ql] ;W[pn] ;B[qo] ;W[ro] ;B[qq]C[xDragon [19k\]: how do u open stream... xDragon [19k\]: wants to send me to http://rover.or.cz:8883/ and DL something ] ;W[nn]C[MR2009 [-\]: you need to open it in a media plyer, not browser MR2009 [-\]: as written in the info MR2009 [-\]: if anyone knows how to tell vlc to send correct content-type... Chilltime [2k\]: hm not exactly bums tournament MR2009 [-\]: black mumbled something radek giggled at and left... abyss [-\]: :\] duha: What is w's nick on kgs? xDragon [19k\]: its not connecting MR2009 [-\]: BUM is back MR2009 [-\]: xdragon: i'm working on it xDragon [19k\]: ok MR2009 [-\]: duha: hiphop but i think he doesnt play here much duha: tnx mr v8turbo [6k?\]: wich tournament is? abyss [-\]: is b using a pro joker or something atm? ] ;B[mp]C[duha: hehe, just for intermezzo http://photo.go-school.com/brno08/pic/010.jpg ] ;W[jp]C[MR2009 [-\]: BUM says wow ] ;B[jq]C[YogSothoth [1d\]: doesn't k4 seem a bit overplayish? xDragon [19k\]: i hope the stream starts working before silt causes another 60 move resignation ] ;W[kq]C[Sponge7 [-\]: what is k3? YogSothoth [1d\]: w begging for two weak groups Sponge7 [-\]: j5 only move Sponge7 [-\]: or k5 horacelamb [4d\]: black has some options ] ;B[kp] ;W[jo]C[abyss [-\]: k2? YogSothoth [1d\]: j3 seems more solid to me ] ;B[kr] ;W[iq]C[YogSothoth [1d\]: this doesn't seem good for b YogSothoth [1d\]: should have got more out of k4 IMO ] ;B[lq] ;W[jr] ;B[kq] ;W[hp]C[seppy [6k?\]: s7? ] ;B[ir] ;W[io]C[abyss [-\]: j2? ] ;B[hr]C[abyss [-\]: yeah:\] MR2009 [-\]: BUM mumbles something about kikashi YogSothoth [1d\]: f4 is quite big ] ;W[ol]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: Wanting to build a center? ] ;B[rm] ;W[rn] ;B[qi]C[DragonXiao [8k\]: BUM enjoys the 5-3 point ] ;W[oi]C[GiacNgo05 [2d\]: f5 Mem0r3x [1k\]: Wanting to build a big center for sure now bobo [6k\]: c 15 ? ] ;B[ln]C[DragonXiao [8k\]: b taking a lot of cash early nasnad [1d\]: just 20 points or so YogSothoth [1d\]: only cash b has is on the bottom kyusanjyu: czech republic people are so nice ] ;W[od]C[xDragon [19k\]: wonder whats wrong w the streams... DragonXiao [8k\]: q17 too lenient here? xDragon [19k\]: how bad is p14? xDragon [19k\]: or something like that johnny [6k\]: nice pictures...check out all the girls playing go! YogSothoth [1d\]: I'd play p15 here MR2009 [-\]: both are away from the board now xDragon [19k\]: yea, i was looking at p15 afterward, less likely to be cut xDragon [19k\]: bah those streams.. YogSothoth [1d\]: I guess q17 and p15 are the standard responses here, but somehow q17 seems too submissive to me in this position DragonXiao [8k\]: yeah i was thinking that as well xDragon [19k\]: i think b needs to get outside somehow xDragon [19k\]: q17 kinda letting w close him in DragonXiao [8k\]: allows white to continue building center, while maintaining a very flat position on the right bobo [6k\]: k 17 ? dimitriy [1k\]: q13 xDragon [19k\]: q13 invites p13? desktidy [3k\]: what about b f5? ] ;B[oe]C[xDragon [19k\]: wee DragonXiao [8k\]: now what for white? DragonXiao [8k\]: q15? Mem0r3x [1k\]: He may take corner but that is not good for his center plans... YogSothoth [1d\]: o15 p14 q16 r16 perhaps xDragon [19k\]: yea o15 looks interesting DragonXiao [8k\]: what about o16 cut instead of r16 for black? ] ;W[pe]C[DragonXiao [8k\]: hmm. which atari for black? Mem0r3x [1k\]: q14 for sure xDragon [19k\]: i like q14 one nube [-\]: q14 looks like the safe option xDragon [19k\]: q16 is asking him to come, cut, and keep him confined Mem0r3x [1k\]: Or r11 will be too weak YogSothoth [1d\]: ladder works for w, so q16 seems overplay ] ;B[pf] ;W[pd]C[xDragon [19k\]: q16 defeats the point of p15? DragonXiao [8k\]: r16? Mem0r3x [1k\]: p14 xDragon [19k\]: got some major cutting points YogSothoth [1d\]: if b had a stone on f5, the he would have probably played q16 q14 r16 ] ;B[qd]C[DragonXiao [8k\]: yay ] ;W[of]C[xDragon [19k\]: yea there it is xDragon [19k\]: o14? Mem0r3x [1k\]: I think p14 should have given black some thickness at the center... DragonXiao [8k\]: but gives white a very large corner ] ;B[og] ;W[ne] ;B[pg]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: And black can extend at m8 / n8 and press white group. nube [-\]: this still seems ok for white though xDragon [19k\]: id go o13 here... bad? MR2009 [-\]: i think o13 is a must xDragon [19k\]: yeah seems big DragonXiao [8k\]: locally, this looks very good for white , globally, not so much DragonXiao [8k\]: or >.. erm nasnad [1d\]: not clear yhat o13 helps white Naso [1k\]: dragon this is big, if black doesnt react white can link up his weak group and black has lost a valuable target nasnad [1d\]: maybe n11? YogSothoth [1d\]: just o13 eyes closed xDragon [19k\]: well iof he doesnt it fels like b acn separate the groups pretty easily xDragon [19k\]: and let b go to center Mem0r3x [1k\]: c11 ? DragonXiao [8k\]: and if b does react he builds thickness to continue attacking the white group? gojustingo [8k\]: some pro is broadcasting fujitsu cup now gojustingo [8k\]: ...semifinal YogSothoth [1d\]: o13 is the shape and it's gigantic. If w plays anything else then b n13 looks really painful ] ;W[jd]C[xDragon [19k\]: hmm YogSothoth [1d\]: hehe DragonXiao [8k\]: white disagrees lee changho style and tenukis xDragon [19k\]: goin n13 now nasnad [1d\]: n13 is slow Gresil [-\]: n13 looks gote DragonXiao [8k\]: b takes a look like lee changho's opponents and realizes that it is better to tenuki as well YogSothoth [1d\]: is w thinking to play n13 c15? Looks pretty bold Mem0r3x [1k\]: Black to play something on left and top sides DragonXiao [8k\]: a second look* ] ;B[ce]C[gojustingo [8k\]: lee changho is playing right now DragonXiao [8k\]: he is? where can i hope to see ? gojustingo [8k\]: e16 wotan123 [2d\]: c12 YogSothoth [1d\]: I still think o13 is the key point in this position, but what do I know ] ;W[ed]C[gojustingo [8k\]: go see where yinkuo is gojustingo [8k\]: he is 3p Chilltime [2k\]: w dominates this game? ] ;B[ci] ;W[ck]C[bobo [6k\]: ios he the one showing the game ? gojustingo [8k\]: yes bobo [6k\]: thx gojustingo [8k\]: b p9? ] ;B[mg]C[xDragon [19k\]: there he goesss xDragon [19k\]: is anyone else here having problems with the stream? YogSothoth [1d\]: I can picture Kageyama giving w a lesson on the fundamentals, would really like a strong player's opinion on ignoring this for so long :) DragonXiao [8k\]: what streem? DragonXiao [8k\]: stream* xDragon [19k\]: theres a stream u can watch this live DragonXiao [8k\]: where? xDragon [19k\]: check mr2009 info xDragon [19k\]: i cant get the streams to work though DragonXiao [8k\]: ah ty MR2009 [-\]: i'm experimenting with making the fourth board working in the browser but with no success :( ] ;W[rq]C[xDragon [19k\]: is the third one working? xDragon [19k\]: do what you did yesterday xDragon [19k\]: that worked well Mem0r3x [1k\]: I don't like c15 / c11 Naso [1k\]: hmmm yes black needs to comeback to fix his shape but doing it seems kinda slow, doesnt it? Naso [1k\]: maybe he finds a good way to do it :3 MR2009 [-\]: xdragon: the first three boards as the same as yesterday ] ;B[bc]C[MR2009 [-\]: i'm only experimenting with the fourth wotan123 [2d\]: c13 xDragon [19k\]: its different though xDragon [19k\]: cause i could get it open in WMP directly thru the site MR2009 [-\]: the coffee machine is making horrible sounds throughout the building xDragon [19k\]: then the stream would load up easily MR2009 [-\]: (BUM is brewing coffee) DragonXiao [8k\]: srsly? xDragon [19k\]: now it having me go to http://rover.or.cz:8883/ and apparently have to open WMP and manually enter it? MR2009 [-\]: xdragon: then i don't know what the difference is ] ;W[cg]C[xDragon [19k\]: and it aint connecting MR2009 [-\]: hmm MR2009 [-\]: try rover.dkm.cz instead of rover.or.cz wotan123 [2d\]: e15 or b13 xDragon [19k\]: nope, it still gets stuck on "connecting" gojustingo [8k\]: bd14 ] ;B[ee]C[nube [-\]: tried restarting ur comp? usually fixes the problem ^^ xDragon [19k\]: if b d14 what does he do after w d13? ] ;W[eg]C[Naso [1k\]: he starts crying xDragon [19k\]: ill see what restarting does... DragonXiao [8k\]: obviously, d10 d8 ] ;B[fd] ;W[fc] ;B[dd] ;W[ec] ;B[cc]C[wotan123 [2d\]: g16 ] ;W[fe] ;B[ff] ;W[gd] ;B[ef]C[MR2009 [-\]: they laughed at something again DragonXiao [8k\]: this feels very similar to the other two ponnukies white has ] ;W[di]C[desktidy [3k\]: 3 ponnukis = 90pts? wotan123 [2d\]: f5 DragonXiao [8k\]: i'd estimate white is up around 100 points at this point wotan123 [2d\]: or better g5 ] ;B[dj]C[MR2009 [-\]: i think better may have better position, but only slightly DragonXiao [8k\]: ?? wotan123 [2d\]: .. MR2009 [-\]: *white MR2009 [-\]: :) miao [5d\]: i like b ] ;W[df]C[MR2009 [-\]: i like whoever will get to d2/d3 first :) MR2009 [-\]: *c3 MR2009 [-\]: *sigh* MR2009 [-\]: i can't type anymore :( ] ;B[de] ;W[cj] ;B[dh]C[wotan123 [2d\]: f5 is a key point MR2009 [-\]: yes it's probably better to play f5 first ] ;W[ei] ;B[ch]C[wotan123 [2d\]: i w get f5 is not good for b, i think nasnad [1d\]: this fight looks more urgent though wotan123 [2d\]: f4 for w ] ;W[eh]C[MR2009 [-\]: yes of course after the fight wotan123 [2d\]: yes ] ;B[dg]C[Chilltime [2k\]: now f4 xD wotan123 [2d\]: i hope so Mem0r3x [1k\]: Have to protect cut Mem0r3x [1k\]: e9 Chilltime [2k\]: nah wotan123 [2d\]: but e9 seems so slow ] ;W[ek]C[MR2009 [-\]: :P wotan123 [2d\]: ;-) Mem0r3x [1k\]: ^^ Chilltime [2k\]: gogo bum f5 nasnad [1d\]: he could go for the corner as well shin3 [4k\]: e9 was necessary because of e11 group ] ;B[kd]C[EricM [2d\]: c3 Mem0r3x [1k\]: Hmm ] ;W[ke]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: Black wants to do what white did at k4 ? ] ;B[ld] ;W[le]C[Chilltime [2k\]: nope ] ;B[jc]C[MR2009 [-\]: radek "hmm"s loudly first1kyu [1d\]: black wants to fight near ponukis? first1kyu [1d\]: solid plan MR2009 [-\]: i think this should live easily ] ;W[id]C[MR2009 [-\]: no? first1kyu [1d\]: I am not sure wotan123 [2d\]: n16 Mem0r3x [1k\]: He is thinking about n16 is this threatening enough to force white to play n15 MR2009 [-\]: i think n16 doesnt work ] ;B[md]C[Isowatt [4d\]: f10 kikashi would have made it work if it had been done earlier wotan123 [2d\]: n16 like key shape point Isowatt [4d\]: I wonder if f10 is still sente kikashi DragonXiao [8k\]: yes, denies white the bulge at n16? wotan123 [2d\]: sente kikashi, nice word;-) DragonXiao [8k\]: what is a gote kikashi? Ukasuhs [1k\]: a fail wotan123 [2d\]: what means no kikashi Isowatt [4d\]: sente nozoki ~ Isowatt [4d\]: It's rare when a nozoki actually make a real ladder work ;) first1kyu [1d\]: difficult fight Mem0r3x [1k\]: If black lives, it will be quite hard for white. MR2009 [-\]: radek is sighing kimball [5d?\]: very difficult to kill b there SuperSonic [-\]: w takes bitter pill first1kyu [1d\]: If it was my game i would probably try o17, but maybe the simpe n15 is better? wotan123 [2d\]: the blue one MR2009 [-\]: black grabs an extra handful of stones wotan123 [2d\]: hihi kimball [5d?\]: thats the point, o 17 is do or die first1kyu [1d\]: MR2009, you are doing a great job commenting on the action - so fun to read :) wotan123 [2d\]: w o17 is the risky one kimball [5d?\]: can w win after n 15? DragonXiao [8k\]: kimball, that was my question first1kyu [1d\]: thats the point kimball MR2009 [-\]: first1kyu, thank you first1kyu [1d\]: :) MR2009 [-\]: the clock on the second board keeps breaking DragonXiao [8k\]: b is much ahead in territory lemuria [2d\]: can w win without it ? MR2009 [-\]: (always when there is no referree around) wotan123 [2d\]: depends what happens with the centre first1kyu [1d\]: and b managed to get his nose into the open here and there wotan123 [2d\]: yes wotan123 [2d\]: upsala ] ;W[me] ;B[nc] ;W[ob]C[kimball [5d?\]: with the weak w group left there will be not much of a center kimball [5d?\]: sry right YogSothoth [1d\]: I still think w should have o13 YogSothoth [1d\]: and not let b play n13 wotan123 [2d\]: but that means b is ahead, if b dont die in the upper ] ;B[nb]C[kimball [5d?\]: w is hoping for a miracle later ] ;W[pb] ;B[hb]C[nasnad [1d\]: upper left cost white the game i think DragonXiao [8k\]: b has not one weak group kimball [5d?\]: will create one soon :) MR2009 [-\]: black sips his coffee and re-examines the top, but... ] ;W[eq]C[MR2009 [-\]: even white cannot take his eyes off the top afer playing e3 wotan123 [2d\]: so he play e3 and think to kill the upper ] ;B[fp] ;W[fr] ;B[gr] ;W[er]C[MR2009 [-\]: white appears to have pre-read this long ago, playing quickly wotan123 [2d\]: he is 6d, so he can see the future;-) Mem0r3x [1k\]: g4 MR2009 [-\]: BUM scans the whole board, focusing at the center ] ;B[gp] ;W[bi]C[YogSothoth [1d\]: w will have no center, so only points are in bottom right ] ;B[bh] ;W[ah] ;B[bg]C[MR2009 [-\]: BUM was hesitating about choosing this way YogSothoth [1d\]: bottom left* Mem0r3x [1k\]: Well if he manages to invade center the game is quite over... ] ;W[qc]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: And j5 is not that strong... nasnad [1d\]: where is the centre, where to invade? ] ;B[fj] ;W[ej]C[wotan123 [2d\]: b looks from 4 sides into the centre MR2009 [-\]: i think the question is how badly can b attack the weak w group ] ;B[rr] ;W[oo]C[wotan123 [2d\]: ;-) MR2009 [-\]: or, now, groups :) ] ;B[op]C[YogSothoth [1d\]: j5 will probably die MR2009 [-\]: white discovers wobbliness of the first board :) wotan123 [2d\]: this sucks ] ;W[qm] ;B[rl] ;W[pl]C[wotan123 [2d\]: wobbling goboards MR2009 [-\]: black wonderd if white was moving some stones ;) wotan123 [2d\]: ;.) YogSothoth [1d\]: b has no worries, just t2 to take profit and keep w weak YogSothoth [1d\]: um not t2 :( ] ;B[do] ;W[ep]C[kimball [5d?\]: i'd try h6 as b MR2009 [-\]: this looks like nice preparation for h6 ] ;B[gn] ;W[eo]C[DragonXiao [8k\]: white's ponnuki is looking lonely wotan123 [2d\]: w centre;-) ] ;B[jm] ;W[im] ;B[jl]C[chrpa [1d\]: black wont catch wotan123 [2d\]: b has good cnaches to catch wotan123 [2d\]: chance nasnad [1d\]: no need to try too hard wotan123 [2d\]: yes wotan123 [2d\]: only reduction of the w centre;-) ] ;W[go] ;B[fo] ;W[fn] ;B[ho]C[YogSothoth [1d\]: just chase and make a nice wall around m10, then kill s6 :) ] ;W[hn] ;B[fm] ;W[en]C[MR2009 [-\]: white laughs nasnad [1d\]: cant keep track of how many games ive lost trying to kill big groups just because i thought it might be possible vajnstejn [4k\]: :-) SuperSonic [-\]: easy ko for b now YogSothoth [1d\]: but then again, killing big groups is fun :) wotan123 [2d\]: thats true Mem0r3x [1k\]: White hah some threats though... lemuria [2d\]: easy ko ? MR2009 [-\]: black in byoyomi Mem0r3x [1k\]: has lemuria [2d\]: this ko is not really one blakc wants to play SuperSonic [-\]: after b g7 MR2009 [-\]: 20 stones per 10 minutes vajnstejn [4k\]: maybe white is happy MR2009 [-\]: white has 27 minutes left wotan123 [2d\]: an advantage YogSothoth [1d\]: maybe just g7 g5 g3? SuperSonic [-\]: why not ? playing g5 to save those 10 pts ? nasnad [1d\]: i agree with lemuria nasnad [1d\]: i think the black attack already turned out not so good MR2009 [-\]: black focuses on the right side it seems MR2009 [-\]: but now switches to the fight scene again gmnn [5k?\]: which one is right side? :) YogSothoth [1d\]: b should have enough ko threats on the right wotan123 [2d\]: g7 ] ;B[gm] ;W[go]C[wotan123 [2d\]: g3 YogSothoth [1d\]: If b mkes a threat on right though, w can ignore and then b has to kill ] ;B[gq] ;W[il] ;B[ik] ;W[hl]C[wotan123 [2d\]: g9 wotan123 [2d\]: sorry MR2009 [-\]: g9 is cuttable wotan123 [2d\]: yes ] ;B[ho] ;W[kc]C[MR2009 [-\]: black lingers with hand over the board ] ;B[jb] ;W[go] ;B[bj]C[frktos [3k\]: ignore? Kezaar [10k\]: H5? YogSothoth [1d\]: I guess b has counted ] ;W[ho] ;B[bk] ;W[cl]C[tomash [3k\]: B+15? ] ;B[bl] ;W[bm]C[mugeimumei [7k\]: b+15 minutes until his win ;) tomash [3k\]: ;) ] ;B[jj] ;W[hj]C[mugeimumei [7k\]: k10 looked stinky strong until w replied with h10 tomash [3k\]: h10 seems a bit risky for white....trying to catch up ] ;B[rc] ;W[rb] ;B[rd]C[wotan123 [2d\]: the result localy is to good for w mugeimumei [7k\]: there is the h9 cut but the goal is the g7 stones wotan123 [2d\]: this ko was unnecessary mugeimumei [7k\]: b can stuff that loose hole with some good stones later ] ;W[qk] ;B[rk] ;W[qj] ;B[rj] ;W[pi] ;B[qh]C[mugeimumei [7k\]: what ko? wotan123 [2d\]: g5 mugeimumei [7k\]: ah SuperSonic [-\]: can w still win ? wotan123 [2d\]: now yes Woodstock [-\]: what do you mean? white is ahead by a few points ] ;W[hh]C[lemuria [2d\]: not at all wotan123 [2d\]: the game changed after the poor attack ] ;B[nk]C[Woodstock [-\]: i counted W+4 ] ;W[ok] ;B[nj]C[YogSothoth [1d\]: funny thing is that b didn't even need to attack to win :) ] ;W[oj]C[SuperSonic [-\]: before h12 i countet the lower left with 37 pts Woodstock [-\]: i didn't like H12 though Mem0r3x [1k\]: n8 wotan123 [2d\]: MR2009 predicted it ] ;B[mm]C[mugeimumei [7k\]: b is definitely ahead now and we can agree on that PooH [6k\]: some reason seems like a black is leading with a big marginal.. Woodstock [-\]: N9 etc gave him that lead Mem0r3x [1k\]: g14 che [-\]: has Jan realistic chances for the title?? Kuros [8k\]: SE has the right idea i think? PooH [6k\]: about 60 for white all and all ] ;W[hc]C[YogSothoth [1d\]: SE gives w way too much in the center Kuros [8k\]: top left center, yeah YogSothoth [1d\]: too much for b too, but not that much Euphony [4k\]: what is Euphony [4k\]: Jan's nick on KGS? Woodstock [-\]: BUM Euphony [4k\]: ahh, thanks che [-\]: has Jan realistic chances for the title?? ] ;B[gb]C[PooH [6k\]: i counted around 90 for b nasnad [1d\]: wow lemuria [2d\]: b daring :) SuperSonic [-\]: 90 is too much PooH [6k\]: oh 80 PooH [6k\]: sorry che [-\]: B wants pwnage YogSothoth [1d\]: I don't see the risk, why daring? wotan123 [2d\]: touch to much mugeimumei [7k\]: daring = strong ] ;W[kb] ;B[ib] ;W[lb]C[mugeimumei [7k\]: strong = win and win = title ] ;B[ma]C[SuperSonic [-\]: i count 70 - 75 SuperSonic [-\]: for b YogSothoth [1d\]: now b is gonna win wotan123 [2d\]: now time for tsumego bobstep [4k?\]: added komi? SuperSonic [-\]: well, komi is for w PooH [6k\]: i get that 75 without center Kezaar [10k\]: O16 ? YogSothoth [1d\]: o16 n17 YogSothoth [1d\]: n17 o16 mugeimumei [7k\]: aww man options wouldn't let me put w in as 69d and b in as 666d ] ;W[hk]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: k12 Naso [1k\]: what is komi? Naso [1k\]: 6.5, 7.5? SuperSonic [-\]: seems area around h14 last big thing now MR2009 [-\]: White is away bobstep [4k?\]: 6.5 MR2009 [-\]: komi 6,5 ] ;B[gf]C[MR2009 [-\]: Black is away, White is back with coffee ] ;W[nd]C[YogSothoth [1d\]: n18 now would be nice MR2009 [-\]: Black is back ] ;B[mc]C[Guiliamo [?\]: he's the man with black Guiliamo [?\]: beverage wotan123 [2d\]: L19 YogSothoth [1d\]: l19 is nothing MR2009 [-\]: it doesnt work YogSothoth [1d\]: power of the diagonal tesuji che [-\]: se has w ahead now YogSothoth [1d\]: se is hallucinating about the n17 group Ukasuhs [1k\]: SE says l18 is seki,,, thats why u dint use SE wotan123 [2d\]: or he know more wotan123 [2d\]: ;-) che [-\]: oh nasnad [1d\]: it reads uppeer left well too YogSothoth [1d\]: SE could of course kill b n17, but it is outside of human skills tomash [3k\]: yeah upper left hard to read :P che [-\]: can BUM become Chech master? gmnn [5k?\]: no, he lost too many games che [-\]: so silt will do it? MR2009 [-\]: probably gmnn [5k?\]: maybe MR2009 [-\]: it's still open :) wotan123 [2d\]: who leads in the tournament? MR2009 [-\]: but BUM already lost with Silt in second round MR2009 [-\]: and he has only one win after three rounds :( MR2009 [-\]: *four chrpa [1d\]: can you send us a link to result mr2009? Jax [15k\]: is f9 or h14 good for white? MR2009 [-\]: see my info chrpa [1d\]: thx MR2009 [-\]: also, on the tournament homepage should be something by now ] ;W[lj] ;B[he]C[gmnn [5k?\]: http://mr09.pagoda.cz/go.php?page=mr09&lng=en&show=/mr09_top.html&inline=1 ] ;W[gc] ;B[mi]C[nasnad [1d\]: not obvious that h15 is good che [-\]: does silt have an KGS-ID? ] ;W[ki]C[MR2009 [-\]: kvschool, but he doesnt use that one for playing ] ;B[ji]C[MR2009 [-\]: he has few high-ranked secret blitz accounts ;) ] ;W[kh]C[Kezaar [10k\]: W win by 37.5, lolol che [-\]: like rapy ;) ] ;B[lk]C[che [-\]: to me this game seems close nasnad [1d\]: t2, then f18? chrpa [1d\]: k14 i would ] ;W[mk]C[nasnad [1d\]: f18 is sente i believe raft [3k\]: k12 also prevents that cut ] ;B[kj]C[nasnad [1d\]: b must avoid ending up with only one eye MR2009 [-\]: white is in byoyomi SuperSonic [-\]: b is connected ] ;W[ll] ;B[li] ;W[kk] ;B[kl]C[MR2009 [-\]: BUM said "i've leanrt something now" Firzen [3d\]: m9 k9 o8 n8 o11 Firzen [3d\]: ^^ Ukasuhs [1k\]: and? raft [3k\]: which one is BUM ? bobstep [4k?\]: w Kachnak [2k\]: b SaintMiai [4d\]: jan Ukasuhs [1k\]: firzen, w dies in that sequence SaintMiai [4d\]: is bum Firzen [3d\]: oh, gosh xD tinca [-\]: B(lack)UM SuperSonic [-\]: strange radek didn't foresee that tomash [3k\]: can b achieve sth by k15? Sandmann [-\]: w can m9 Rossk [-\]: o8 n8 o11 n10 n12 Sandmann [-\]: hm w can almost m9 Ukasuhs [1k\]: rossk, thats ko Rossk [-\]: needs that lib i think so its ko yes Rossk [-\]: else w dies instead ? tildebis [?\]: where ko ? Ukasuhs [1k\]: if w m9, ten he has too few libs Sandmann [-\]: its not ko as n10 is double atari ] ;W[ij] ;B[jk] ;W[nl] ;B[ml]C[tomash [3k\]: o8 n8 o11 n10 n12 ko? SuperSonic [-\]: w is plain captured tildebis [?\]: no ko 2 stones captured ] ;W[mh]C[tomash [3k\]: lol timloupuce [5k\]: b + 10 no? tinca [-\]: uchikomi tomash [3k\]: ;) MR2009 [-\]: ooo MR2009 [-\]: that's cool! ] ;B[mj] ;W[lh] ;B[lk]C[MR2009 [-\]: BUM said "what was that" :) k0n0 [?\]: why capture?? tildebis [?\]: because atari Ukasuhs [1k\]: o13? k0n0 [?\]: sorry ] ;W[ka]C[Rossk [-\]: sorry gosh how could i miss double atari^^ ] ;B[ja] ;W[fb]C[raft [3k\]: k15 cut still remains ] ;B[mb]C[MR2009 [-\]: black hesitated with this move MR2009 [-\]: and slammed clock really hard ] ;W[cb] ;B[bb] ;W[da]C[che [-\]: t2 big SuperSonic [-\]: t2 same thought ] ;B[nh] ;W[hg]C[Guiliamo [?\]: SE has changed its mind ] ;B[no] ;W[on] ;B[mn] ;W[sr] ;B[rs] ;W[sb]C[MR2009 [-\]: uf che [-\]: k12 YogSothoth [1d\]: o5 n6 combination was bad che [-\]: y? SuperSonic [-\]: p17 YogSothoth [1d\]: worth maybe 3 points SuperSonic [-\]: b19 YogSothoth [1d\]: w getting t2 & t18 bigger che [-\]: and reverse sente so big tinca [-\]: O7 also sente 1 point ] ;B[jh] ;W[kg] ;B[gs]C[tildebis [?\]: A8 chrpa [1d\]: t16 nice ] ;W[sd] ;B[se] ;W[sc]C[YogSothoth [1d\]: a8 not worth much ] ;B[rf]C[che [-\]: a8 not as important as g1 since a12 stone YogSothoth [1d\]: as b will still have to defend with a move if he playes a8 himself Sandmann [-\]: g19 is sente then b19 biggest SuperSonic [-\]: b unlucky endgame ] ;W[ko] ;B[lo]C[tildebis [?\]: still close Sandmann [-\]: hm m5 was too hasty ] ;W[ba] ;B[fs] ;W[es] ;B[jf]C[YogSothoth [1d\]: b gonna win vajnstejn [4k\]: yes, nice endgame for white ] ;W[kf] ;B[al]C[chrpa [1d\]: go white ] ;W[jg] ;B[ie] ;W[ge] ;B[hf]C[SuperSonic [-\]: seems b ahead by 1-2 ] ;W[ga] ;B[ha] ;W[fa] ;B[lc] ;W[am] ;B[ai] ;W[nf] ;B[ng] ;W[qp] ;B[pp]C[Kezaar [10k\]: it's a really nice game Kuros [8k\]: wasn't a11 overplay che [-\]: ? tildebis [?\]: ? galadan [7k\]: no galadan [7k\]: trigger a ko tildebis [?\]: A11 needed che [-\]: a10 would have made ko bobstep [4k?\]: a11 forced ] ;W[jn]C[Kuros [8k\]: k thanks tildebis [?\]: P17 tomash [3k\]: f13 ] ;B[oc] ;W[pc]C[YogSothoth [1d\]: b should play o7 during this sente phase ] ;B[sn]C[chrpa [1d\]: g13 ] ;W[sm] ;B[sl] ;W[kn] ;B[nm]C[Kuros [8k\]: was that for another ko threat? ] ;W[om] ;B[ii] ;W[hi]C[bobstep [4k?\]: fg13 raft [3k\]: b won ] ;B[fg] ;W[fh] ;B[gg] ;W[gh]C[tildebis [?\]: H3 chrpa [1d\]: w plus 0,5 tomash [3k\]: t5 YogSothoth [1d\]: huh, b wins ] ;B[km]C[YogSothoth [1d\]: chrpa, you should learn to use se :) ] ;W[hq]C[chrpa [1d\]: see soon :) ] ;B[so]C[chrpa [1d\]: seems you right (and se as well) tildebis [?\]: I think H3 might have been better order for B chrpa [1d\]: a18 ] ;W[ab]C[Kezaar [10k\]: B+0.5? ] ;B[ac]C[YogSothoth [1d\]: SE basics: don't use it with other than japanese rulesets, notice extra points given in central areas, use only in endgame, don't use if there is seki on the board, view offline to make life/death statuses of groups clear to SE ] ;W[oa] ;B[aa]C[chrpa [1d\]: many roles - better to count yourself :) chrpa [1d\]: *rules YogSothoth [1d\]: hehe YogSothoth [1d\]: it's for lazy people who want to improve their kibitz rank :P ] ;W[js] ;B[ks]C[chrpa [1d\]: haha ] ;W[ab]C[tildebis [?\]: W has much more threats ] ;B[la]C[Ukasuhs [1k\]: but doesnt w still lose? ] ;W[ca]C[che [-\]: u can use it under chinese rules if you view it offline. options ---> change rulkset --->> apply se ] ;B[aa] ;W[aj] ;B[ag] ;W[ab]C[YogSothoth [1d\]: ah, clever che [-\]: thats 9p kibbitz technique YogSothoth [1d\]: :D tildebis [?\]: O11 ] ;B[sm]C[tildebis [?\]: or something ] ;W[je] ;B[if]C[Jax [15k\]: b should j1 Twigi [14k?\]: no tildebis [?\]: useless ] ;W[aa]C[Twigi [14k?\]: if white goes to j1 then white still has 1 liberty ] ;B[qr]C[Twigi [14k?\]: and then it is captured ] ;W[sq]TW[ea][pa][qa][ra][sa][db][eb][qb][fd][oe][fi][gi][dj][fj][gj][pj][dk][fk][gk][pk][dl][el][fl][gl][cm][dm][em][fm][gm][hm][pm][an][bn][dn][gn][in][ao][bo][co][do][ap][bp][cp][ip][aq][bq][cq][dq][ar][br][cr][dr][as][bs][cs][ds]TB[ia][ka][kb][lb][kc][ad][bd][cd][ae][be][re][af][bf][cf][df][qf][sf][cg][qg][rg][sg][ah][rh][sh][bi][ri][si][aj][lj][sj][ak][kk][mk][sk][ll][lm][mo][lp][np][mq][nq][oq][jr][lr][mr][nr][or][pr][hs][is][js][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs]C[YogSothoth [1d\]: oh my, why don't they see it???!!! Rossk [-\]: see what? Jax [15k\]: ok YogSothoth [1d\]: nvm, misunderstood something earlier ykjkl: god forgot to give them eyes Twigi [14k?\]: b won? MR2009 [-\]: kgs counts b+1.5 Victzz [5k\]: good job bum :p JoK [6k\]: which player is bum? Mem0r3x [1k\]: Chinese rules? Twigi [14k?\]: b tildebis [?\]: B won Guiliamo [?\]: nice, Jan has beaten styronger player in an even agem Guiliamo [?\]: game* MR2009 [-\]: they counted the same MR2009 [-\]: GAME OVER: BLACK WINS BY 1.5 MR2009 [-\]: thank you all for watching tildebis [?\]: thx MR2009 [-\]: second board scurge - krabicka is the last one still playing Victzz [5k\]: thank you tildebis [?\]: MR2009 MR2009 [-\]: you are welcome to watch Beo [2k?\]: thx MR ])