(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
GN[Czech Republic Go Championship 2009 - top group board #4]PW[Jan Simara 5D (BUM)]PB[Ondrej Silt 6D (KVschool)]DT[2009-07-02]EV[Czech Republic Go Championship 2009]RO[2]PC[Libčice nad Vltavou]AN[Head]C[pasky [-\]: mmm
pasky [-\]: to bude zajimave
Mexon [2k\]: vyvíjí se to zajímavě, tahle partie...
pasky [-\]: zvlast pravy horni roh
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]C[pasky [-\]: rikal jsem to!
]
;B[pq]
;W[dp]
;B[fq]
;W[po]C[Victzz [5k\]: go bum !
]
;B[pl]C[Shukai [1d\]: isn't kvschool like 3 stones stronger on KGS?
pasky [-\]: 6D is his EGF rank
Shukai [1d\]: yah but relatively compared to BUM
pasky [-\]: 6d is almost the top rank in EGF, something like 8D AGA; there are only about two 7D EGF I think
pasky [-\]: ah
pasky [-\]: well, he doesn't play so much on KGS
pasky [-\]: so it's hard to compare
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: oh
Sanyel [-\]: There are more than two 7d EGF
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: allé blanc!!
Novalys [2k\]: because if he's strong he might prefere igs
Leko [7k\]: KVschool is for Sarlovy Vary?
Leko [7k\]: Karlovy*
MR2009 [-\]: no, form Gotwaldov
MR2009 [-\]: .... Zlin
Sanyel [-\]: Motoki, Dai Junfu, Cho Seok Bin, Chimin Oh, and some others
vajnstejn [4k\]: :D
pasky [-\]: wow you are right, there are 12 7d egf
Balsa [?\]: can these games be saved for future reference?
pasky [-\]: i guess i must've checked the rating list too long ago last time :)
Dattabayo [16k\]: aaaaah i am always the weekest pirson watching maches like this
pasky [-\]: balsa: yes, they should be available on MR2009's account
pasky [-\]: MR2009: Gottwaldov? :)))
Balsa [?\]: thanks pasky
Edhelka [-\]: but most of these 7d are european asiats ;)
]
;W[hp]C[pasky [-\]: yes, only four european-born 7d
pasky [-\]: hmm, is this usual fuseki combination?
Kezaar [10k\]: why asian are so strong?
djaffar [14k\]: because they are asians 
Shukai [1d\]: prob cause most of the material on the game is in asian languages..
Mauja [8k\]: exactly
Renju [-\]: they aint as lazy as europeans
Renju [-\]: ;)
Windtalker [1k?\]: lol
djaffar [14k\]: its their game
seichi31 [3k\]: becoz they play go since 5 years old
]
;B[fo]
;W[dn]
;B[np]
;W[kp]C[Shukai [1d\]: bum seems to want to complicate the opening a ton
pasky [-\]: yes, i don't know if that's so good idea against black
pasky [-\]: but he knows what's he doing better than me ;)
djaffar [14k\]: who is playing  now
djaffar [14k\]: can u tell me
Sai20 [9k\]: b
Novalys [2k\]: it's written
Sakeus [?\]: lol :-)
Novalys [2k\]: Jan simara bum vs ondrej silt kvschool
]
;B[fm]C[djaffar [14k\]: i dont se these names  anywhere thats why i asked 
pasky [-\]: they are right above the kibitz window
Fiktik [7k\]: its right above the chat
pasky [-\]: that is also possible formulation
djaffar [14k\]: oh yes
Fiktik [7k\]: ;-)
djaffar [14k\]:  i see now
djaffar [14k\]: thx
ToDie [2d\]: how much time do the players have?
Shukai [1d\]: white direction is lost =)
MR2009 [-\]: 90minutes and 20/10minutes byoyomi
bruvic23 [2d\]: why boards 3 and 4, not 1 and 2?
djaffar [14k\]: i never saw two play like this before 
MR2009 [-\]: best games on these boards
bruvic23 [2d\]: ok
MR2009 [-\]: first board is not the best
MR2009 [-\]: matching is decided for whole turnament from the beginning
bruvic23 [2d\]: ah
djaffar [14k\]: they have  played  a game  before this one ?
ToDie [2d\]: thx
pasky [-\]: oh, really? interesting
MR2009 [-\]: yes
djaffar [14k\]: and who won,
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;W[no]C[Chilltime [2k\]: jan
djaffar [14k\]: ok
bluetable [-\]: hello
pasky [-\]: jan lost against vlada danek (in the other broadcast), i don't know about ondrej
]
;B[mo]C[pasky [-\]: hi
benwa [13k\]: oh there touching.... how cute
pasky [-\]: o.O
djaffar [14k\]: they have  come into contact at last
]
;W[mp]
;B[nq]C[djaffar [14k\]: fight
]
;W[nn]C[bluetable [-\]: so few avalanches on KGS...
djaffar [14k\]: what is avalanche here ?
]
;B[mn]C[bluetable [-\]: pasky can explain
djaffar [14k\]: is that english,
pasky [-\]: avalanche is type of joseki, and it's not played in this game
Shukai [1d\]: yah
Shukai [1d\]: white seems
Shukai [1d\]: done?
djaffar [14k\]: i know that the french word avalanche is a huge pack of snow rolling down
pasky [-\]: yes, that's it
pasky [-\]: it's named so because of the similarity with the shape on the board
MR2009 [-\]: when avalanche is launched it cannot be stoped :)
djaffar [14k\]: ok
]
;W[mq]C[djaffar [14k\]: in this corner black seems to dominate 
Chilltime [2k\]: white still got n7 or r3?
Kezaar [10k\]: white N7 would be cool
djaffar [14k\]: but the last white move  shows sth else 
]
;B[mm]C[Chilltime [2k\]: r3 then?
iudfsdi: p4 and p8?
Chilltime [2k\]: nah looks like bad shape
]
;W[nm]C[bluetable [-\]: captain the best
]
;B[nl]
;W[ml]C[Shukai [1d\]: p7?
gblitz [1d\]: p7?
djaffar [14k\]: if  one isnt told  that they are playing a championship , one would see like beginners' game 
Shukai [1d\]: its a fighting game
hutachip [6k\]: one big battle
Shukai [1d\]: opening theory kinda goes out the window in those
djaffar [14k\]: yeah  but it looks so naive 
Leko [7k\]: it doesn`t look like a beginners game
Warlord [7k\]: that's the beauty of it
hutachip [6k\]: proffesionals play like children
djaffar [14k\]: yes 
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: white looks to have some problems
rayheart [4k\]: p7 looks strong to me
djaffar [14k\]: no violence  felt 
melmak: q6
benwa [13k\]: what about the n6 group?
MssrBlanc [3k\]: the funny thing is that it doesn't look like a beginners game at all.  no beginner would play q5 then just leave
djaffar [14k\]: what about the group N567   , are they dead ?
djaffar [14k\]: ot is  it small
Hisigi [8k\]: too early ton question about that
djaffar [14k\]: to be dealt with i mean
MR2009 [-\]: to early for this
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: dites
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: vous savez pas si jan simara a gagné la 1e partie ?
wysiwyg: nothing is dead untill smbd kills it
djaffar [14k\]: oui
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: il l'a gagnée ?
djaffar [14k\]: parait il
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: contre qui ?
MR2009 [-\]: non, il a perdu
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: merde
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: contre qui
hutachip [6k\]: black should just play P7
djaffar [14k\]: quelqu un vient de me dire qu il l a gagnee 
MR2009 [-\]: danek vs simara
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: ondrej c'est le champion tchèque de l'année passée ?
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: ok 
MR2009 [-\]: oui
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: tu aurais pas un lien des résultat de l'année passées tp
Shukai [1d\]: maybe b considers like o9
hutachip [6k\]: well that is small
hutachip [6k\]: and white still has to answer after black block
djaffar [14k\]: O 9 doesnt seem urgent now
iudfsdi: p7 now
djaffar [14k\]: what if blak responds with q7
elvard [8k\]: They are smoking or what? :)
MssrBlanc [3k\]: p7 q7 p5, djaffar
Elendar [1d\]: yay elvard its hard to believe
MR2009 [-\]: no Silt is thinking
hutachip [6k\]: q 7 doest work
MR2009 [-\]: Simara left
Elendar [1d\]: but sometimes some people think .
hutachip [6k\]: white can kill the three group then
Sankka [10k\]: is BUM of kgs playing?
Warlord [7k\]: yes
MR2009 [-\]: yeah
Sankka [10k\]: good ^^
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: yes
godfather1 [1k\]: no ^^
hutachip [6k\]:  no
hutachip [6k\]: its just some bum we found on the street
hutachip [6k\]: no wonder hes playing like a child
djaffar [14k\]: du suspens  y en a !
seppy [5k?\]: time?
benwa [13k\]: like all good go players, usually found in a box
MR2009 [-\]: plenty of time for both
Sankka [10k\]: what is time setting?
MR2009 [-\]: 90+20/10
Sankka [10k\]: ty
Klaza [-\]: hi to everyone there in libcice:) !!
MR2009 [-\]: Hi! Klaza, thanx :)
Klaza [-\]: np
]
;B[ol]C[Klaza [-\]: i didnt know it starts today...
MR2009 [-\]: yeah ... today
MR2009 [-\]: and side handicap tournament too
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: MR2009 tu parles tchèque ?
Klaza [-\]: aha...how many people are playing?
djaffar [14k\]: the white group is dead  i think
MR2009 [-\]: 21 in side tournament
Leko [7k\]: does r3 work for w?
markpi [6k\]: are these players the favourites for the title?
hutachip [6k\]: white extend to M8
MR2009 [-\]: but bigger side tournament starts on saturday
djaffar [14k\]: may work
hutachip [6k\]: white kills the three group with m8
MR2009 [-\]: yeah ...this are favorits
markpi [6k\]: unlucky let them play first round..
SixTimes7 [3k\]: m8 doesn't kill
Warlord [7k\]: it's the second one
Klaza [-\]: ok, thx, i have to go to sleep:) see you!!
zizu [1k?\]: second round
MR2009 [-\]: its 2nd round
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: what was the ranking of simara last year ?
zizu [1k?\]: Silt won his first game against Cipra?
GOBRETT [6k\]: why black hasnt play p7
MR2009 [-\]: Shilt won 1st roud
gblitz [1d\]: r3?
MR2009 [-\]: Simara lost 1st roud
tomason [1d\]: to HAJDNKSPF: http://goweb.lbox.cz/ogo/sin_slavy/mr/2008
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: ok thx
hutachip [6k\]: m 7 or m8 seem plausible
gblitz [1d\]: p8 is more solid than p7 and there is no immediate threat to n6?
melmak: m7
djaffar [14k\]: L 7  can kill the black 3 group
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: Simara was 4th last year so
tomason [1d\]: de rien
hutachip [6k\]: maybe black can jump to L6 after m7
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: and Ondrej 1st 
hutachip [6k\]: m8* my bad
]
;W[gn]C[hutachip [6k\]: black excapes and kills?
zizu [1k?\]: yeah:-)
hutachip [6k\]: forget your two stones black!!!!!
ToDie [2d\]: must connect
hutachip [6k\]: even if connect
SixTimes7 [3k\]: it's not the 2 stones that are threatened
SixTimes7 [3k\]: it's the wall w gets
hutachip [6k\]: no use to use two stones
SixTimes7 [3k\]: the stones inside could still live
SixTimes7 [3k\]: connecting probably better than not
ToDie [2d\]: w would get a huge profit
hutachip [6k\]: forget connect and run for your left corner!!!!!
sdfa: if white m7 how can black escape?
hutachip [6k\]: trade off
djaffar [14k\]: to mae sure that the 3 black group die 
djaffar [14k\]: black is going to play L6
]
;B[ko]C[Shukai [1d\]: funny shape
Shukai [1d\]: now all we need is for white to get m8 and l8
hutachip [6k\]: it works
Shukai [1d\]: and we got some strange symmetry
]
;W[fn]C[hutachip [6k\]: it works somewhat... :<
]
;B[jp]
;W[kq]C[djaffar [14k\]: white responded quickly
hutachip [6k\]: K3!
Mem0r3x [1k\]: k5 
hutachip [6k\]: k 5 also proud 
djaffar [14k\]: k6 is better for black
hutachip [6k\]: k6 no good....
hutachip [6k\]: white can poke and in turn save middle lower groups
bkhl [6k\]: J3?
hutachip [6k\]: J5?
]
;B[jq]C[djaffar [14k\]: for the time being they seek to play stones which stand by themselves , i mean no need to strengthen them
zizu [1k?\]: first idea is best hutachip:-)
BuddhaCat [2d\]: ko to live?
hutachip [6k\]: hocus pocus............
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: k5 
BuddhaCat [2d\]: white needs k2
]
;W[jr]
;B[ir]
;W[lr]C[HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: apparement noir est 9d kgs
BuddhaCat [2d\]: black in very good shape.
Thorvald [7k\]: quel pseudo ?
]
;B[jo]C[zizu [1k?\]: I agree budhha black is fine everywhere
djaffar [14k\]: J3  is important for white
Leko [7k\]: niccce for b
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: son pseudo c'est KVschool
BuddhaCat [2d\]: how to deal with o4 stones..
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: enfin sur son graphique il est mis 9d
Windtalker [1k?\]: feels like white getting bullied....
hutachip [6k\]: its either save the white group or connect
iPwnNoobs [2k\]: m4 ?
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: o2 ?
Thorvald [7k\]: jamais vu en action
BuddhaCat [2d\]: maybe m4 possible..
Hunyuan [7k\]: h3
BuddhaCat [2d\]: h3?
iPwnNoobs [2k\]: i don't like m4 shape, but possible sente life and then attack o5 
djaffar [14k\]: the black group at the right bottom crner is in danger
Kezaar [10k\]: I like O2, then attack B lower right group
BuddhaCat [2d\]: white should get captured first right now.
BuddhaCat [2d\]: thats why black advantage is so big, because the bottom right corner is too bg
BuddhaCat [2d\]: white's only compensation of capturig the two black stones on f5 is almost gone too
zizu [1k?\]: m4 looks reasonable
zizu [1k?\]: but black is ahead
hutachip [6k\]: indeed
zizu [1k?\]: m5 maybe
BuddhaCat [2d\]: white maybe r3 or something.
]
;W[nr]C[bluetable [-\]:  complicated situation
bluetable [-\]: hi zizu
TheoH54 [4k\]: safety first
Shukai [1d\]: Q4 must remain symmetric!
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: o2 didnt i say it ? :)
BuddhaCat [2d\]: q4 is very solid.
MR2009 [-\]: Silt left
BuddhaCat [2d\]: probably enough.
zizu [1k?\]: hi blue you have also conversation skills, wow:-)
iPwnNoobs [2k\]: p2 looks dangerous
Kezaar [10k\]: white can try to live on his own?
bluetable [-\]: if someone is in the kitchen helping me, I do
zizu [1k?\]: :-))
MR2009 [-\]: and Simara also left .... he had cigaret in his hand :)
djaffar [14k\]: white  means  to attack
TheoH54 [4k\]: b r4
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: left ?
]
;B[or]C[MR2009 [-\]: Silt is back
Kezaar [10k\]: w P4 ?
Saimon [1d\]: p4 is a wasted ko threat
iPwnNoobs [2k\]: r3 
TheoH54 [4k\]: can w q5 live there in that small space
djaffar [14k\]: tes
djaffar [14k\]: he can if he wishes
gblitz [1d\]: i think r3 is nice but
zoldorn [1d\]: w is dead?
gblitz [1d\]: could lead to a ko?
iPwnNoobs [2k\]: r3 works for a few variations at least
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: q4 good too ?
BuddhaCat [2d\]: black is alive.
zizu [1k?\]: white is not dead
TheoH54 [4k\]: w r2
zoldorn [1d\]: w is not alive
BuddhaCat [2d\]: after m4 white still has to live.
]
;W[qp]
;B[qq]
;W[rq]C[djaffar [14k\]: thats good move
]
;B[rr]C[BuddhaCat [2d\]: make ko here?
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: s5^^
gblitz [1d\]: i liked r3 better
MR2009 [-\]: pictures from first round are here http://picasaweb.google.cz/vbinovec/MR2009Libcice#
djaffar [14k\]: w gonna  live
gblitz [1d\]: ko can't possibly work because w has no threats
zizu [1k?\]: R3 was sacrifice
iPwnNoobs [2k\]: black looks alive
TheoH54 [4k\]: q: is this live?
TheoH54 [4k\]: i mean real time
Fiktik [7k\]: yup
TheoH54 [4k\]: thx
gojustingo [8k\]: anybody willing to give me a review in the teaching ladder pls?
]
;W[ro]
;B[sq]C[BuddhaCat [2d\]: p4 threat
]
;W[sp]
;B[rp]C[zoldorn [1d\]: w going to ko everywhere
BuddhaCat [2d\]: is fake though.
gblitz [1d\]: maybe m6?
iPwnNoobs [2k\]: p4 double sente threat?
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: m5 better
MR2009 [-\]: Simara placed stone on M4 but taked back ....
BuddhaCat [2d\]: eh?
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: undo?
TheoH54 [4k\]: lol
BuddhaCat [2d\]: is that legal?
MR2009 [-\]: his fingers didnt left the stone
bkhl [6k\]: If he didn't release the stone.
Nyrckes [1k\]: didnt take hes finger off i 
MR2009 [-\]: but he was murmling something
Nyrckes [1k\]: :D
TheoH54 [4k\]: this fight not good for w imho
BuddhaCat [2d\]: white lost the game.
gblitz [1d\]: im not sure m4 is a good threat though
]
;W[lo]C[BuddhaCat [2d\]: i don't think m4 is a threat.
]
;B[kn]
;W[rq]
;B[ns]
;W[ms]C[gblitz [1d\]: ?!
]
;B[mr]
;W[ll]C[gblitz [1d\]: then take s2?
zizu [1k?\]: m4
]
;B[lp]C[gblitz [1d\]: o2?
zizu [1k?\]: white looks dead to me
BuddhaCat [2d\]: o2 p1 i think.
skill1 [1d\]: can live with ko
Firzen [3d\]: not sure if there'ss be a double ko
Firzen [3d\]: *there'll
KGS00001: M3 M6
]
;W[lq]
;B[ln]
;W[sr]C[gblitz [1d\]: :(
gblitz [1d\]: m1 now seems mandatory
debine [8k\]: can we see the live ?   by  the internet?
bartosh [4k\]: is this game on eurogotv?
zizu [1k?\]: probably no bartosh
bartosh [4k\]: ok :/
bkhl [6k\]: But there is lively commentary from MR2009
MR2009 [-\]: this game should be broadcasted ... we have a camera there
TheoH54 [4k\]: how can i receive "EuroGotv"?
MR2009 [-\]: but i dont now if it works ...
]
;B[ls]C[embeck [5k\]: it does not seem to be on eurogotv...all stations are off line at the moment
MR2009 [-\]: no, we have our own system but the other guy is taking care .. i dont know now
TheoH54 [4k\]: Eurogotv is on which satellite?
]
;W[hr]C[zizu [1k?\]: on internet
TheoH54 [4k\]: oh, all right,thx
]
;B[hq]
;W[gq]
;B[iq]
;W[gp]C[bartosh [4k\]: c3 
Mem0r3x [1k\]: f2 g2 c3 
bartosh [4k\]: if c3 white could connect at j1 :/
Higanbana [?\]: game still pretty even?
djaffar [14k\]: can we hear a live commentary?
KGS00001: nice work by w
MR2009 [-\]: Silt is bitting his fan ....
katsumi [-\]: what a champion
zizu [1k?\]: He always do:-)
iPwnNoobs [2k\]: f4 bad?
iPwnNoobs [2k\]: yeah
djaffar [14k\]: why do they focus  on the fighting spot 
bkhl [6k\]: Because it's important.
zizu [1k?\]: why not?
djaffar [14k\]: there is still big territory to be taken
melmak: c3
zizu [1k?\]: J2 group can be in danger if C3, no?
embeck [5k\]: At this level they are focusing on the whole board...and deciding that these spots are the most importnat at this time
zizu [1k?\]: hop, just misread:-)
Mem0r3x [1k\]: f2 g2 c3 j1 l1 k1 m4 ko
MR2009 [-\]: Silt climbed on the top of the chair
melmak: b can tenuki j1 didnt work
Kezaar [10k\]: omfg lol
MR2009 [-\]: and he looks very down
gblitz [1d\]: yea j1 has no chance of working
edmund: mr2009 how are watching the game?
MR2009 [-\]: sorry?
bkhl [6k\]: In person presumably.
TheoH54 [4k\]: difficult decision for b maybe 
edmund: okay that's what i thought
edmund: thanks
djaffar [14k\]: est ce qu il y a un commentaire  a ecouter , si oui , comment y acceder
djaffar [14k\]: ou bien a lire 
zizu [1k?\]: something around C11 area?
crazygo [3k\]: black kill in sente :)
TheoH54 [4k\]: around k16?
meuns [2k\]: w will resign :s
djaffar [14k\]: no way
djaffar [14k\]: too early for that
MR2009 [-\]: Simara still smooking
bkhl [6k\]: Seems a bit premature before playing anything on the top side. 
meuns [2k\]: M2 dead group represent more than 20 points
zizu [1k?\]: K16 also not bad I think
crazygo [3k\]: n17 ?
elfking [5k\]:  e5
]
;B[gr]
;W[fr]
;B[hs]
;W[er]
;B[ci]C[zizu [1k?\]: hmmm:-)
TheoH54 [4k\]: zizu: your move :)
zizu [1k?\]: after sequence in corner:-(
elfking [5k\]: zizu :) nice!
Kuros [7k\]: zizu is my hero
elfking [5k\]: well left is very interesting
]
;W[ck]
;B[cf]
;W[ce]C[zizu [1k?\]: be calm:-)
]
;B[df]
;W[fc]C[Disanidi [11k\]: black win?
elfking [5k\]: disanidi ...too early to tell
gblitz [1d\]: corner is very big
bkhl [6k\]: It's a possibility...
gblitz [1d\]: (white's bottom left corner)
Disanidi [11k\]: R12 big point?
bkhl [6k\]: Hey, the SE thinks white is in the lead.
elfking [5k\]: l16 feels bigger ... 
]
;B[qf]C[TheoH54 [4k\]: zizu: why do you have still a "?" in your grade?
vajnstejn [4k\]: lol, I think easy win for white...
vajnstejn [4k\]: sorry for black :D
zizu [1k?\]: because I dont like rated games on kgs
gblitz [1d\]: s8?
oblivion [4d\]: easy win?
bkhl [6k\]: zizu, too much pressure?
TheoH54 [4k\]: oh, ic
Mem0r3x [1k\]: r11!
oblivion [4d\]: the game just starting
zizu [1k?\]: yes:-)
]
;W[bf]
;B[bg]
;W[be]C[djaffar [14k\]: it s been 3 monthe since i started playing go  and this match is the strangest one i ve  seen
Kuros [7k\]: :|
]
;B[nc]C[Pig [3d\]: djaffar: you didn´t see much :)
embeck [5k\]: then you haven't watched TheCaptain's games
Firstborn [4k\]: hm
themyr0n [3k\]: s8?
gblitz [1d\]: now s8?
themyr0n [3k\]: beat ya : )
Paradize [2k\]: R10
gblitz [1d\]: nah i said it 3 moves ago :D
LeFourBe [5d\]: M17
themyr0n [3k\]: awww i just got here : (
gigo [9k\]: can W live in R17 (even if it is too early)?
LeFourBe [5d\]: F14 ?
TheoH54 [4k\]: n11?
first1kyu [1d\]: this is creative, but i dont understand anny moves
csgo [?\]: r11?
]
;W[gf]
;B[ei]C[first1kyu [1d\]: and g14 is suprising again
LeFourBe [5d\]: G14 seem normal
]
;W[qc]C[Higanbana [?\]: r17??
]
;B[ob]C[gigo [9k\]: I guess he can live ^^
vajnstejn [4k\]: ohh this is suprising move...
Kuros [7k\]: !? :Q
Paradize [2k\]: ko maybe
themyr0n [3k\]: this cant possibly live....
LeFourBe [5d\]: R17 is to test aji
seichi31 [3k\]: dead
Higanbana [?\]: maybe he just wants aji to play on the mid right
csgo [?\]: r11
]
;W[kc]C[bluetable [-\]: is b tartrate? :o
zizu [1k?\]: oOň
Kurosagi [4k\]: of course not
TheoH54 [4k\]: w big leaps
Kurosagi [4k\]: o12?
elfking [5k\]: arond f9 ?
elfking [5k\]: *around
]
;B[jd]C[TheoH54 [4k\]: LeFourBe: what's the feeling here who is leading?
Kuros [7k\]: hm what's the usual way to kill R17 if white would try to play it in a way similar to a normal 3-3 invasion?
Kuros [7k\]: on the inside near s17?
Kurosagi [4k\]: he wouldn't
Kuros [7k\]: ok thanks, because my question was about whether BUM is a n00b or not
Kuros [7k\]: ...
]
;W[kd]
;B[je]
;W[ke]
;B[jf]C[HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: a n00b ?
LeFourBe [5d\]: i think b is leading
LeFourBe [5d\]: but not that much
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: combien +/- 
TheoH54 [4k\]: thx
LeFourBe [5d\]: before K16, i will say + 5 for black
]
;W[kf]C[csgo [?\]: w m8 may play crucial role in the near future
]
;B[jg]C[LeFourBe [5d\]: but black got a weak group  
TheoH54 [4k\]: so white still in the game?
]
;W[lh]C[first1kyu [1d\]: not realy weak
LeFourBe [5d\]: i would prefer play to play L15 instead of K16
zizu [1k?\]: white must risk
LeFourBe [5d\]: yes white still in the game
LeFourBe [5d\]: but he must play active like he do now :)
TheoH54 [4k\]: :)
LeFourBe [5d\]: R12 is a good spot for white 
melmak: k17
]
;B[nh]C[first1kyu [1d\]: Ondrej sure is fearless
]
;W[ib]C[HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: k11 
LeFourBe [5d\]: b got 2 weak groups and only one for white 
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: 2 ?
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: k15  and d14?
LeFourBe [5d\]: yes
first1kyu [1d\]: c14 not completely save
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: p8 could be in danger too
elfking [5k\]: g12 is quite big 
]
;B[gh]C[zizu [1k?\]: connect weak groups:-)
LeFourBe [5d\]: is the best solution
LeFourBe [5d\]: :)
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: w must attak o8 i think
LeFourBe [5d\]: i would plya R12 to awake aji of R17
TheoH54 [4k\]: but g12 kind of dame maybe?
zizu [1k?\]: O8 is too strong
csgo [?\]: s8?
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: cutting in h13 could be good or not ?
elfking [5k\]: s14
LeFourBe [5d\]: a weak group = +/- 10 pts 
LeFourBe [5d\]: so connecte 2 weak groups = +/- 20 pts :)
gigo [9k\]: are they connected already?
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: oO ?
]
(;W[rl]C[LeFourBe [5d\]: not yet but they tend to
]
;B[rm]
;W[qm]
;B[rk]C[bluetable [-\]: not good
TheoH54 [4k\]: what happened??
first1kyu [1d\]: :)
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: ^^
BaghwanB [7k\]: Recorder fixing moves
first1kyu [1d\]: the one entering the moves read the chat
KGS00001: he start with S8 :)
MR2009 [-\]: :)
csgo [?\]: don't r7, r12
]
;W[sm]C[aiken23 [8k\]: isnt kvschool a 9dan on kgs?
TheoH54 [4k\]: oh, this is great!
AlmostDan [2d\]: yea, used to be 13d or something
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: 13d ? xD
Warlord [7k\]: 187.4 dan
first1kyu [1d\]: t7??
AlmostDan [2d\]: it was possible in earlier version of kgs
first1kyu [1d\]: why not r8?
]
;B[ql]
;W[rn]
;B[qj]C[AlmostDan [2d\]: cos t9 would have been sente
first1kyu [1d\]: t8 r9 bad for b
]
;W[ji]
;B[gd]C[aiken23 [8k\]: does white need to play in blacks top right area?
AlmostDan [2d\]: ah, sry, i read bad, thought its s6 in question "0
]
;W[gc]C[zizu [1k?\]: there is only reduction aiken
Madel [3k\]: F15 ?
elfking [5k\]: c12 feels fun for white later
mi1 [2k\]: hes r17 is dead there(top right), i dont see good posibiliti for invasion atm
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: c7 fun for black ;p
]
;B[ed]C[markpi [6k\]: can b try something with d3 andc4?
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: i dont think
Paradize [2k\]: first D3 looks strange
TheoH54 [4k\]: b will explore aji of f3 sooner or later imho
aiken23 [8k\]: f16
elfking [5k\]: b feels about 10 - 12 points ahead
LeFourBe [5d\]: if B capture G14, he gone to be hard for white
]
;W[fd]C[elfking [5k\]: white has to chance f15 /
]
;B[ee]
;W[ec]C[HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: f14
mais [11k?\]: btw, why does the weaker player is white? (5d vs. 6d)
]
;B[fe]
;W[hd]
;B[ge]C[HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: why not
Paradize [2k\]: =S
]
;W[he]C[aiken23 [8k\]: wasnt expecting black to e15 after f16
]
;B[hf]C[zizu [1k?\]: its championship all games are even
elfking [5k\]: mais at that level there is no weak/strong 
elfking [5k\]: the difference is not as much as a stone
zizu [1k?\]: I agree
mais [11k?\]: so it's just decided by chance how starts?
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: y
mais [11k?\]: s/how/who
zizu [1k?\]: its decided mcmahon
first1kyu [1d\]: w need a way to enter the right side
elfking [5k\]: mais: yeah it's a toss typically (nigiri in japanesey games) 
TheoH54 [4k\]: 6.5 komi so about equal isn't it?
aiken23 [8k\]: 013 or 014
mais [11k?\]: ok, i know nigiri
elfking [5k\]: ooh will white play h13?? :) 
zizu [1k?\]: mcmahon counts on changing colours
zizu [1k?\]: so u cant play all round with black
MR2009 [-\]: system is that each i playing with each player
zizu [1k?\]: ok
KGS00001: h13 nice
elfking [5k\]: or f9?
MR2009 [-\]: whole tournament pairing was decided beforehand
zizu [1k?\]: and nigiri?
MR2009 [-\]: no nigiri
zizu [1k?\]: ok
MR2009 [-\]: shuring table 
aiken23 [8k\]: 013 or 014
elfking [5k\]: yah waste of l16 if no fight :) 
csgo [?\]: h11
]
;W[qd]C[zizu [1k?\]: hora is not playing?
Tomppsen: Czech?
mi1 [2k\]: =\]
KGS00001: S11?
MR2009 [-\]: rirht
mi1 [2k\]: lets read this tsumego
MR2009 [-\]: hora is not playing
aiken23 [8k\]: ive always liked BUM's style
zizu [1k?\]: R19?
MR2009 [-\]: BUM left ... smoke brake
elfking [5k\]: zizu would r19 not make q12 kinda fun for white? 
TheoH54 [4k\]: i like s15
pasky [-\]: (brake je brzda, break je prestavka ;)
csgo [?\]: r19 not good, how to respond w q17?
MR2009 [-\]: pasky: true
twold [2k\]: pasky este nejazdil nikdy autom so zatiahnutou rucnou? :-)
zizu [1k?\]: csgo what u recomend?
]
;B[qe]C[zizu [1k?\]: simply:-)
csgo [?\]: r15
csgo [?\]: oops
Edhelka [-\]: time?
B3nji [6k\]: who win now?
elfking [5k\]: black feels ahead by 8
zizu [1k?\]: I think Ondra will solve this tsumego:-)
first1kyu [1d\]: s18
aiken23 [8k\]: if there is no way to live should white just q15 sabaki?
]
;W[pb]
;B[pc]
;W[rb]
;B[pa]
;W[qa]
;B[qb]
;W[hg]
;B[if]
;W[pb]
;B[dc]C[csgo [?\]: w has to give something
]
;W[cc]C[KGS00001: is C17 necessary ?
]
;B[de]C[Paradize [2k\]: corner is huge
]
;W[db]
;B[qb]C[KGS00001: if not C17 then ?
zizu [1k?\]: nice prevent by another ko threat by D15
elfking [5k\]: p4?
zizu [1k?\]: G13?
TheoH54 [4k\]: w j12?
csgo [?\]: c13
Paradize [2k\]: D7
Paradize [2k\]: (for Black)
csgo [?\]: maybe too small
zizu [1k?\]: J12
elfking [5k\]: j12 feels right 
elfking [5k\]: zizu :P 
gblitz [1d\]: L1?
zizu [1k?\]: will see:-)
elfking [5k\]: hehe 
TheoH54 [4k\]: oh oh j12 is mine :)
KGS00001: i think C17 was not necessary ^^
elfking [5k\]: p4 may be fun
csgo [?\]: c13
zizu [1k?\]: myabe its wrong:-P
Edhelka [-\]: g13 :)
elfking [5k\]: b12
elfking [5k\]: i take b12
elfking [5k\]: ;P 
]
;W[gj]C[zizu [1k?\]: is that a threat?
first1kyu [1d\]: no
TheoH54 [4k\]: much, much better this one ...
Montchik [-\]: i like it ;)
themyr0n [3k\]: threatening to play e9?
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: dunno
zizu [1k?\]: ignore
KGS00001: good threat ?
gblitz [1d\]: threaten f12?
]
;B[ra]C[gblitz [1d\]: we shall see i guess :D
themyr0n [3k\]: why not t9 as a threat?
zizu [1k?\]: T9 is small
csgo [?\]: c13 gets k14 tail
first1kyu [1d\]: ?
TheoH54 [4k\]: g13 maybe?
themyr0n [3k\]: seems bigger than g10...
gblitz [1d\]: h12?
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: g13= good threat ......
zizu [1k?\]: I dont think so
csgo [?\]: c13 instead of g10
zizu [1k?\]: G10 is big move anyway
]
;W[ek]C[KGS00001: g10 bigger
MR2009 [-\]: BUM slamed the clock resolutly
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: b10
first1kyu [1d\]: :)
]
;B[bk]
;W[bl]
;B[bj]C[HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: BUM slamed the clock resolutly  ==> ça veut dire quoi ?
zizu [1k?\]: black has better endgame
Kezaar [10k\]: ça veut dire qu'il a tapé sur l'horloge avec force et l'air résolu xD
first1kyu [1d\]: b leads
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: ok
zizu [1k?\]: yes
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: merci
MR2009 [-\]: hit the clock hard :)
csgo [?\]: k7
TheoH54 [4k\]: clock needs more oil :)
]
;W[dj]
;B[fs]C[TheoH54 [4k\]: SE doesn't understand top right
first1kyu [1d\]: f1??
kenjiro43 [7k\]: how is the time for both players?
aiken23 [8k\]: the top right is the most complex situation in the history of go
themyr0n [3k\]: cool move
TheoH54 [4k\]: aiken: lol
csgo [?\]: d3
MR2009 [-\]: just few minutes to byoyomi both
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Thank you
]
;W[dq]C[first1kyu [1d\]: b7?
first1kyu [1d\]: b7 wa8 bc8
KonGo [5k\]: j17 
zizu [1k?\]: c10 or D11
TheoH54 [4k\]: sry, i was wrong: b did not explore f3 aji
]
;B[dr]C[zizu [1k?\]: hop:-)
TheoH54 [4k\]: oops
themyr0n [3k\]: timesuji?
]
;W[cr]C[aiken23 [8k\]: i think white should have played q15 instead of q18. cause to me at the time q16 was not as strong as it could be
Paradize [2k\]: =°\]
]
;B[im]C[zizu [1k?\]: well D11 doesnt worky by white I guess
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: if i can play 3 moves in a row i can win this game
TheoH54 [4k\]: what is w d11 supposed to do?
fast1 [1d\]: 2 should be enough
zizu [1k?\]: two moves are enough
gblitz [1d\]: protect c8
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: where
MR2009 [-\]: Simara in byoyomi
Paradize [2k\]: H11
csgo [?\]: w just wants to protect c8 cut, but losing the timing for k7, I think
]
;W[fh]C[themyr0n [3k\]: cool move
gblitz [1d\]: finally attacking!
Wizze [1d\]: looks like a 5k move =)
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: eyh
Arhiman [4k?\]: k7 was no good
]
;B[fg]C[HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: f12 was the move of the succes
]
;W[eh]C[csgo [?\]: c11
zizu [1k?\]: if u say so:-)
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: lol
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: i do 
gblitz [1d\]: i love it! all the adji coming to life :D
Wizze [1d\]: who said this would work ?? =)
themyr0n [3k\]: this situation reminds me of hikaru
themyr0n [3k\]: i thought c10 was so weird, but he was placing it in preparation for the fight 
gblitz [1d\]: read for yourself
csgo [?\]: d11 sorry
TheoH54 [4k\]: work=reduce territory? yes it will
gblitz [1d\]: no no work = kill it all :D
MR2009 [-\]: Silt is in byoyomi
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: ok
BuddhaCat [2d\]: just play d11
TheoH54 [4k\]: d12
BuddhaCat [2d\]: d12 d11.
csgo [?\]: b must d11, f11 is a trap
]
;B[cl]C[Kezaar [10k\]: wtf
fast1 [1d\]: wow
TheoH54 [4k\]: it was all about this, wasn't it?
zizu [1k?\]: now F11 works?
BuddhaCat [2d\]: cept d11 looks sente.
csgo [?\]: nice counter
fast1 [1d\]: now swap possible
]
;W[bm]
;B[fi]
;W[gi]
;B[hh]
;W[di]C[csgo [?\]: wait, w d11 still work
zizu [1k?\]: really?
Montchik [-\]: y
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: ?
]
;B[dh]C[first1kyu [1d\]: go Jan!
]
;W[ch]C[zizu [1k?\]: I doesnt work
fast1 [1d\]: it does
Montchik [-\]: damezumari ftw :)
csgo [?\]: nvm
fast1 [1d\]: can connect underneath
Pinchilei [2d?\]: just taking looks ok
zizu [1k?\]: but black take D10 stones?
fast1 [1d\]: no
Kezaar [10k\]: white played well
csgo [?\]: b can d13
fast1 [1d\]: e13 b12
Paradize [2k\]: B12 ?
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: isnt it byo ymi ? oO
Paradize [2k\]: i don t see where they wanna go
TheoH54 [4k\]: works for white but small i think
csgo [?\]: b only way to save b10 is d13
fast1 [1d\]: if d13, then e10
csgo [?\]: yeah
fast1 [1d\]: but loose e12 in exchange
]
;B[eg]C[Bodano [2d\]: bad for black: d13 e10 e13 b11 c10 a10 d9 a9 ...
]
;W[bh]C[fast1 [1d\]: ouch
]
;B[cg]
;W[ag]C[bartosh [4k\]: what about the time?
]
;B[bi]C[TheoH54 [4k\]: ???
]
;W[ah]C[fast1 [1d\]: ?
]
;B[fk]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: but black lost a lot there
kenjiro43 [7k\]: I don't get it
Pinchilei [2d?\]: he could capture a lot too
kenjiro43 [7k\]: where please?
Pinchilei [2d?\]: g10 ?
zizu [1k?\]: he is going to capture something:-)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: yeap
fast1 [1d\]: didn't read that far ^^
themyr0n [3k\]: e7?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: I guess you're right
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: It is true
csgo [?\]: I think it's good exchange for b
]
;W[dl]
;B[gm]C[themyr0n [3k\]: m10
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: h6 
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: h6 sente ?
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: no sente
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: :s
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: sente
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: ^^
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: i think
]
;W[hn]C[themyr0n [3k\]: gotta save m8 here, right?
zizu [1k?\]: dont flood hajdn:-P
]
;B[lj]C[HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: sorry
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: h7
zizu [1k?\]: I am not serios, because I am not admin
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: i dont care if you are ;)
]
;W[jk]C[HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: im not flooding for fun :s
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: ^^
KGS00001: l11 
]
;B[ij]C[HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: :(
TheoH54 [4k\]: w thin in center
]
;W[jj]
;B[kh]C[KGS00001: gg
zizu [1k?\]: now fun starts
KGS00001: game end here ^^
TheoH54 [4k\]: w nothing to gain in center (b thick there)
]
;W[li]
;B[ki]
;W[mj]C[HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: l10 
holynec [?\]: I like how white is a bum.
KGS00001: m13 
TheoH54 [4k\]: my 2 cents..
]
;B[lg]C[HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: will black play tenuki ? :)
]
;W[kj]
;B[mi]
;W[lk]
;B[mh]
;W[hl]
;B[hm]C[HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: j11
]
;W[ii]
;B[gk]C[KGS00001: l8 
]
;W[jm]C[HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: last chance
]
;B[hi]C[zizu [1k?\]: H10
first1kyu [1d\]: I think b wins
zizu [1k?\]: still no eye
zizu [1k?\]: ok 1:-P
first1kyu [1d\]: k9 was an overplay?
KGS00001: 1 eye :P
Kezaar [10k\]: B+resign, lol
zizu [1k?\]: welcome leela
elfking [5k\]: ?
csgo [?\]: connect?
zizu [1k?\]: futurama- leela has only one eye
themyr0n [3k\]: h6 losing move it seems
csgo [?\]: w h10
elfking [5k\]: you know one steps away for 10 minutes and all of a sudden things fall aparat :P 
]
;W[lj]C[KGS00001: =))
]
;B[kg]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: I guess B wins this
kenjiro43 [7k\]: If white doesn't perform
kenjiro43 [7k\]: a miracle
kenjiro43 [7k\]: and live in the center
zizu [1k?\]: white seems dead
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: h10 
Virtudgdfg: b has won
Virtudgdfg: i think
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: :(
philipn09 [5k\]: h10 h9 
fast1 [1d\]: h10 only gives 1 eye, no ?
KGS00001: h10 give no eye :)
zizu [1k?\]: h10 doesnt give eye
MR2009 [-\]: Simara resigned
HAJDNKSPF [6k\]: ok
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Thank you
MR2009 [-\]: Silt won the game
fengitreon [-\]: thx
zizu [1k?\]: thx
KGS00001: nice game
fast1 [1d\]: h10 secure the eye in l8, no ?
zizu [1k?\]: indeed
TheoH54 [4k\]: at least the end i understood :)
zizu [1k?\]: L8 is eye without H10
fast1 [1d\]: no it's not I think
Montchik [-\]: thank you for the broadcast
zizu [1k?\]: when its another round?
fast1 [1d\]: b l8, l7 k8 j8 j9
themyr0n [3k\]: fast, how does b kill the eye at l8/l9?
themyr0n [3k\]: its a big eye
fast1 [1d\]: false eye
themyr0n [3k\]: yes, you're right
themyr0n [3k\]: still dead though, lol
fast1 [1d\]: still it's only one eye, so useless ^^
TheoH54 [4k\]: 1 eye is false life anyway
fast1 [1d\]: or true death
TheoH54 [4k\]: :)
Pumukli [7k\]: ondrej won?
dalamyst [1k\]: yes
djaffar [13k\]: but  the  game  seems  unfinished
djaffar [13k\]: how andrei  can win here 
])
(;W[qm]C[zizu [1k?\]: not yet but almost:-)
first1kyu [1d\]: that is what i meant
]
;B[rm]
;W[rl]
;B[rk]C[first1kyu [1d\]: I dont think w sarted with r7
first1kyu [1d\]: started
twold [2k\]: and r7 s7 exchange seems weird
LeFourBe [5d\]: S8 - S7 seem more logical :)
zizu [1k?\]: sure
]))