(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[20/600 Canadian] GN[Czech Republic Go Championship top group - board #1]PW[Ondrej Silt]PB[Vladimir Danek]WR[6d]BR[5d]DT[2009-07-05]EV[Czech Republic Go Championship 2009]RO[7]PC[Libcice nad Vltavou]WT[KVschool]US[Pasky]C[MR2009 [-\]: only Vladimir Danek and Petr Valasek are at the site yet ]RE[W+9.50] ;B[pd]C[mamutik [1d\]: Ahoj Pask : \] mamutik [1d\]: teda Pasky ... mamutik [1d\]: stihas takhle prenaset dve partie? MR2009 [-\]: jojo MR2009 [-\]: s pomoci kamer... :) mamutik [1d\]: ze zacatku to jeste chpu, ale ke konci uz to musi byt horsi, ne? MR2009 [-\]: zalezi, vcera vecer to bylo trochu hutne protoze jela dve yose naraz MR2009 [-\]: nastesti petr cipra hral hrozne pomalu :) MR2009 [-\]: vetsinou toho nastesti moc najednou neni mamutik [1d\]: nemas nejake zpravy z vedlejsiho turnaje? Na internetu bohuzel jeste nejsou prubezne vyseldky ... MR2009 [-\]: zpravy nemam MR2009 [-\]: imho je tam petr sedlacek brzo da mamutik [1d\]: aha, aha MR2009 [-\]: (Radek Nechanicky and Ondrej Krulm are on the scene too) MR2009 [-\]: radek nechanicky - ivan kostka just started MR2009 [-\]: video streams are up MR2009 [-\]: you can watch them on third boards MR2009 [-\]: (also, cipra - valasek started on the fifth board already) mamutik [1d\]: prosim Te, jsou linky na prenos jeste nekde jinde nez na pagode? ] ;W[dd]C[MR2009 [-\]: jsou v mem infu MR2009 [-\]: a tam jsou dokonce aktualni ] ;B[pq] ;W[cp]C[mamutik [1d\]: to me taky mohlo napadnout ... dekuju : mamutik [1d\]: :\] ] ;B[ep] ;W[eq] ;B[fq] ;W[dq] ;B[fp] ;W[cn] ;B[jp] ;W[qn]C[MR2009 [-\]: ** You can watch the first four boards on live video streams, check my info for details! ] ;B[po] ;W[rp]C[piku [2k\]: who's challenging Silt in this championship? Ipexander [13k\]: player in KGS? Ipexander [13k\]: players MR2009 [-\]: piku: other nine players that qualified in other czech tournaments over the year piku [2k\]: :-) got it, but any one matching him? ] ;B[ql]C[MR2009 [-\]: on KGS, scurge 5d, BUM 6d and Bororo 4d (i hope i have the kgs ranks right) play regularly piku [2k\]: I see MR2009 [-\]: piku: Ondrej Silt is concievably the best czech player, and probably the second best is Jan Hora 6d who isn't playing MR2009 [-\]: this is the seventh round MR2009 [-\]: Ondrej Silt has 6 points so far piku [2k\]: thx, that's what I wanted to know... MR2009 [-\]: Radek Nechanicky and Ondrej Kruml have 5 points minismurf [-\]: why is Jan Hora not playing? MR2009 [-\]: Jan "BUM" Simara was somewhat unlucky so far, with only 3 points piku [2k\]: mmm, too bad MR2009 [-\]: minismurf: he didn't qualify, he didn't play on many tournaments last year ] ;W[pn] ;B[qo] ;W[ro] ;B[qq]C[MR2009 [-\]: Ondrej Silt came back, he was walking around a bit choboco [1k\]: looks good for n so far choboco [1k\]: b danigabi [5d\]: joseki so far danigabi [5d\]: i expect w s7 danigabi [5d\]: then w Aims at playing H2 choboco [1k\]: dani always using those terms noone knows choboco [1k\]: "joseki" "atari" "counting" piku [2k\]: :-D MR2009 [-\]: Ondrej Silt drinks coffee, looking into space, white blending stick in his mouth choboco [1k\]: wah i read bleeding piku [2k\]: should see this one piku [2k\]: any webcams? MR2009 [-\]: only of the board tops, sorry danigabi [5d\]: the alternative is to play O6, a joseki i loathe piku [2k\]: :-( danigabi [5d\]: o6 s7 s6 n4 q8 r10 p10 q12 MR2009 [-\]: we had another webcam showing the room, but it broke piku [2k\]: :-( danigabi [5d\]: white gets out into the center with some shape but black successfuly builds both sides piku [2k\]: technology these days :-D choboco [1k\]: this joseki looks better for b to me choboco [1k\]: probably because of f3 played joseki MR2009 [-\]: danigabi: that was the variant Jan Simara played with Radek yesterday MR2009 [-\]: or rather Radek with Jan :) Liqin [12k?\]: N> more redundancy in webcams minismurf [-\]: who is the broadcaster? danigabi [5d\]: I really dislike it for white, not my kind of play :) rayli [10k\]: i am hong kong ] ;W[nn]C[danigabi [5d\]: i like my groups with ponnuki shape CircleEnd [6k\]: heh MR2009 [-\]: minismurfer: me! :) ] ;B[rm] ;W[rn]C[MR2009 [-\]: pasky miao [5d\]: q8 miao [5d\]: !!! choboco [1k\]: p5^^ danigabi [5d\]: no reason to avoid the usual n4 pattern rayli [10k\]: m4 miao [5d\]: Q8 COOLER ] ;B[pl]C[choboco [1k\]: cool! miao [5d\]: haa haydenngan [9k\]: hi MR2009 [-\]: :) danigabi [5d\]: lol miao [5d\]: :) rayli [10k\]: =\] choboco [1k\]: do those players have kgs accounts btw? danigabi [5d\]: noone that knows baout q8 doesnt know p8 Hipcio [3d\]: thats sharp MR2009 [-\]: a kind organizer brought me an electric kettle so that i can make myself coldrex MR2009 [-\]: it's now making noise in the playing room though ^^" ] ;W[ol]C[danigabi [5d\]: now n4 danigabi [5d\]: better not let w play n4 choboco [1k\]: i hope they dont dissappoint you again dani^^ danigabi [5d\]: This is why i think o6 is particularly bad in this case :after N4 H2 looks a lot risker than if n4 were at P6. MR2009 [-\]: choboco: w has kgs account kvschool but doesn't use it to play choboco [1k\]: oh, thx MR2009 [-\]: choboxo: however, he has several high dan secret blitz accounts danigabi [5d\]: how high? choboco [1k\]: how do you know when its secret^^ MR2009 [-\]: 7d-9d depending on the amount of handi games played ;) LE [20k?\]: not all secrets are well kept ones :P MR2009 [-\]: choboco: just some czech players know about them :) MR2009 [-\]: ondrej silt roams through the playing room now, just patting radek nechanicky on the back and laughing about something danigabi [5d\]: what is black considering? ] ;B[mp]C[minismurf [-\]: how many rounds total? MR2009 [-\]: black is sitll looking ponderously at the board while white still talks with radek MR2009 [-\]: now he comes back choboco [1k\]: love that detailed infortmation^^ MR2009 [-\]: minismurf: nine ] ;W[ok]C[danigabi [5d\]: I think this variation is inferior for black than without the P8Q8 exchange MR2009 [-\]: ten players in total, everyone with everyone choboco [1k\]: whos the favourite so far? ] ;B[qi]C[danigabi [5d\]: you could take p8 and q8 off the board directly CircleEnd [6k\]: I prefer black minismurf [-\]: ah, is it some holiday in Czechia this weekend, or just expect the best go players to have a lot of time? :) MR2009 [-\]: minismurf: 5th and 6th is national holiday MR2009 [-\]: the tournament started on thursday afternoon MR2009 [-\]: and last round will be monday morning danigabi [5d\]: can w tenuki? danigabi [5d\]: and if defend, how? MR2009 [-\]: there's also a lot of accompanying events - various handi and non-handi tournaments, barbecues, concerts and projection of hikaru no go and the go seigen movie ] ;W[oo]C[danigabi [5d\]: N9 looks nice but might be slow MR2009 [-\]: hmm, this has nice followups, right? MR2009 [-\]: Jan Simara is the last one for long time now who didn't arrive... i think he slept over for sure danigabi [5d\]: this looks dubious danigabi [5d\]: black answers at O4 and cleans aji at M4 danigabi [5d\]: w gets empty triangle in exchange danigabi [5d\]: (im being over critic today am i?) wotan123 [2d\]: no choboco [1k\]: nah, your a high dan commenting moves choboco [1k\]: thats a rare and welcome thing omar [3d\]: w n9 was played in a pro game once wotan123 [2d\]: i agree with your analysis miao [5d\]: but it makes sente Hipcio [3d\]: yeah maybe it aji keshi but w gains sente choboco [1k\]: didnt w have sente anyway? danigabi [5d\]: w was sente before wasnt he? miao [5d\]: no miao [5d\]: p7 danigabi [5d\]: ah.. miao [5d\]: ^^ ] ;B[dp]C[danigabi [5d\]: but still danigabi [5d\]: i think tenuki is still not good miao [5d\]: lol danigabi [5d\]: if tenuki: p7 o7 q7 p6 Nasty cut at O8 ] ;W[oq] ;B[nq] ;W[op] ;B[or]C[danigabi [5d\]: aji is really bad now! ] ;W[cq]C[miao [5d\]: wtf miao [5d\]: s3? LeT63 [1d\]: why was d4 so important? miao [5d\]: or n5 miao [5d\]: sth danigabi [5d\]: black plans to spend an extra move to defend, so its good timing regarding that danigabi [5d\]: but allowing p3.. doesnt look good kimball [5d?\]: b can teniki now danigabi [5d\]: big point loss and terrible aji danigabi [5d\]: If tenuki, i dont understand D4 minismurf [-\]: so, how to answer P5? danigabi [5d\]: i think n4 made it a bad move danigabi [5d\]: O4* ] ;B[mn]C[MR2009 [-\]: black has a light smile on his face danigabi [5d\]: white could tenuki as the threat is less inmediate but there is a ladder and the possibility of peep and attack the whole group MR2009 [-\]: while ondrej is still sucking the coffee stirring stick miao [5d\]: w looks kinda heavy choboco [1k\]: a light smile kinda scary danigabi [5d\]: ! choboco [1k\]: maybe hell do a joker and laugh out loud when he wins danigabi [5d\]: o2 q2 n5 ? danigabi [5d\]: b screwed? kimball [5d?\]: o2 n2 miao [5d\]: yes choboco [1k\]: r5 only 4 points loss danigabi [5d\]: its a big eye in sente ] ;W[mm] ;B[ln]C[danigabi [5d\]: ajj danigabi [5d\]: even if white is going to n7, he should o2 before choboco [1k\]: w missing chance? danigabi [5d\]: its good kikashi ] ;W[lm]C[kimball [5d?\]: true, but after p9 i would not want to attack that stones too hard BrYanwithY [5k\]: W + 1.5 ] ;B[km] ;W[pr]C[wotan123 [2d\]: haha BrYanwithY [5k\]: good game danigabi [5d\]: lol ] ;B[nr] ;W[rq]C[choboco [1k\]: b still with light smile?^^ kimball [5d?\]: seemingly both agree, that 2 stones are not so important here ] ;B[rr]C[wotan123 [2d\]: now we can see the aji of w p3 ] ;W[kl]C[danigabi [5d\]: w has good aji now danigabi [5d\]: can fight good wotan123 [2d\]: yes danigabi [5d\]: so w can aim at R14 ] ;B[jl]C[danigabi [5d\]: k7 l6 l9 j8 r14 ? choboco [1k\]: isnt r14 a bit too aggressive? danigabi [5d\]: well white is strong danigabi [5d\]: so should be agressive omar [3d\]: b's shape on left is weird omar [3d\]: er, on right MR2009 [-\]: it seems BUM will forfeit the game MR2009 [-\]: he didn't arrive yet minismurf [-\]: one hour late already? MR2009 [-\]: everyone is joking about it now YusufS [3k\]: who is bum? kimball [5d?\]: it is using w thickness, so i think it is worth considering MR2009 [-\]: yusufs: Jan Simara YusufS [3k\]: ah ok thank you mr2009 ] ;W[jm]C[danigabi [5d\]: r14 q14 q13 r13 q15 p14 r16 p15 r15 r17 q17 p16 s13 r12 r18 s17 s18 p17 q18 standard ] ;B[kn] ;W[kk]C[miao [5d\]: what do they say? miao [5d\]: :) MR2009 [-\]: that BUM has problem with attendance danigabi [5d\]: he has no home, probably not even a clock, cut him some slack :) LE [20k?\]: so that BUM is a bum? miao [5d\]: ^^ wotan123 [2d\]: is this championship in praha? choboco [1k\]: maybe hes still asking people for change to take a bus miao [5d\]: XD danigabi [5d\]: Recession hits bums hard choboco [1k\]: yea, thats a fact choboco [1k\]: being a bum isnt as fancy as it used to be MR2009 [-\]: wotan123: 15 minutes train ride from prague, in the vltava river valley wotan123 [2d\]: thx danigabi [5d\]: Black has to think between K9 and J8 choboco [1k\]: b f17? danigabi [5d\]: J8 is mild, and w definetely takes sente to R14 danigabi [5d\]: no, choboco, black cannot allow white J7 choboco [1k\]: id tenuki ;( is that so wrong? choboco [1k\]: hmm danigabi [5d\]: its the difference between k8 being almost captured to k7 being almost captured miao [5d\]: tenuki = w ponuki danigabi [5d\]: its like worth 2 stones :) wotan123 [2d\]: nice rhyme kimball [5d?\]: vladimir might consider to push k9 instead of j8 ] ;B[jk]C[kimball [5d?\]: ha miao [5d\]: =) miao [5d\]: hane! choboco [1k\]: white really strong though kimball [5d?\]: i know him well wotan123 [2d\]: yeah! choboco [1k\]: k9 seems brave miao [5d\]: tengen wins the game miao [5d\]: go ondrej wotan123 [2d\]: only hane, all other is lukewarm danigabi [5d\]: If tengen, blakc L10? miao [5d\]: no metter miao [5d\]: w has tengen choboco [1k\]: true danigabi [5d\]: lol choboco [1k\]: xD miao [5d\]: :) kimball [5d?\]: if hane b can j7 sente danigabi [5d\]: right, kimball has got the point choboco [1k\]: miao is 9p which went insane and dropped to 5d?^^ miao [5d\]: but w gets tengen still MR2009 [-\]: ** You can watch the first four boards on live video streams, see my info for details! miao [5d\]: =) danigabi [5d\]: k10 j7 l10 but danigabi [5d\]: even though its sente w has some impressive center thickness danigabi [5d\]: so i wouldnt be dissatisfied as white kimball [5d?\]: yes, w thickness is worth gote here danigabi [5d\]: im more worried about the blunt cut at l10, destroyes a lot of shape ] ;W[jj]C[miao [5d\]: haa miao [5d\]: :) wotan123 [2d\]: L10 ] ;B[im]C[choboco [1k\]: they take long for the moves you jsut play because its tengen style^^ miao [5d\]: hehe danigabi [5d\]: w considering J10 danigabi [5d\]: its nice becuase if black wants to take advantage of teh cut, he has to put up with a horrible squeeze in center danigabi [5d\]: but even so the cut is a bit of bad aji danigabi [5d\]: White L10 is a pleasure move to get even if you lose the game :) ] ;W[ij] ;B[jc]C[choboco [1k\]: i expected this^^ choboco [1k\]: but i thought you jsut disagree again^^ Anik [2d?\]: r17 now? danigabi [5d\]: i would still R14 choboco [1k\]: r17 bad because it nullifies r14 kinda weakness ] ;W[qg]C[choboco [1k\]: i think ] ;B[qh] ;W[pg] ;B[oi]C[Anik [2d?\]: ic danigabi [5d\]: black was prepared to R13 choboco [1k\]: looks like b already thought about it^^ pr11x [2d\]: seems like a bad plan for black danigabi [5d\]: w chose R13 becuase R14 has the easy sabaki but .. iw ould still play r14. Its a lot of profit in sente and b gets a useless wall. But of course this is also interesting for w ] ;W[oh]C[danigabi [5d\]: excellent attack MR2009 [-\]: *** The second board game was forfeited, but you can watch the third board on KGS! Radek Nechanicky 6d vs Ivan Kostka 4d! Haloran [5k\]: O. Kruml vyhral kontumačně????? kimball [5d?\]: w's aim is to force a defensive move like s9 MR2009 [-\]: haloran: ano Haloran [5k\]: kdo je zapisovatel??? wotan123 [2d\]: p12 is strong move MR2009 [-\]: BUM just arrived :) MR2009 [-\]: haloran: pasky MR2009 [-\]: said "ohh" and left again ] ;B[rk]C[Haloran [5k\]: he go sleep again choboco [1k\]: ? choboco [1k\]: what did he say? kimball [5d?\]: ha, success for w here danigabi [5d\]: whtie connects neatly with o11 MR2009 [-\]: choboco: BUM was playing on the second board but didn't arrive in time and the game was forfeit :( danigabi [5d\]: more and more thickness for w choboco [1k\]: he was that late?^^ MR2009 [-\]: choboco: just kind of "aha" MR2009 [-\]: choboco: yes, about 1.5 hour danigabi [5d\]: that way, he indirectly defends against L10, making j10 a good choice choboco [1k\]: how old is bum?^^ MR2009 [-\]: Ondrej Silt is on a walk again MR2009 [-\]: choboco: i'm not sure, about 22 wotan123 [2d\]: close b in is already an sucess choboco [1k\]: hm k thx choboco [1k\]: problem is eversytime w gets thinkness you say its success and still at some point he needs territory^^ otternase [2d?\]: q10 probe ? kimball [5d?\]: territory comes by itself choboco [1k\]: cant b tenuki after q10? megamindy: q10 is no probe... only one answer kimball [5d?\]: o11 only, then l 10 loses its meaning gyokuro [4k\]: what is ondrejs account? MR2009 [-\]: he's coming back again wotan123 [2d\]: o11 ] ;W[nd]C[wotan123 [2d\]: ups gyokuro [4k\]: someone knows? danigabi [5d\]: w lacked patience? danigabi [5d\]: black o11 is devastating wotan123 [2d\]: i think too, o11 is such a keypoint MR2009 [-\]: but if b tenuki now, that is devastating too? danigabi [5d\]: i think common sense, fight spirit, and logic all points to O11 kimball [5d?\]: matter of style perhaps, o16 is certainly not bad danigabi [5d\]: if answer at O16, maybe end up in got and w will go back to o11, unacceptable. ] ;B[ni]C[danigabi [5d\]: w didnt spend the move he apparently has to do to defend, so to resist o11 wotan123 [2d\]: yes,yes,yo danigabi [5d\]: and also, its not clear how to defend from o16, and o11 creats weaknesses in w position that might somewhat help q16 kimball [5d?\]: now at last q10 comes into play choboco [1k\]: its not clear? choboco [1k\]: looks not that unusal to me wotan123 [2d\]: the difference between close in and seperated is enormous ] ;W[qc]C[danigabi [5d\]: L10 a burden for w now ] ;B[ne]C[megamindy: is it really that of a burdan? megamindy: q6 lives danigabi [5d\]: well, its not extra komi megamindy: and j10 has j8 ] ;W[me] ;B[oe]C[MR2009 [-\]: ** Remember, you can watch the first four boards live on video streams (esp. board #4 which is not on KGS), see my info for details! wotan123 [2d\]: R16 or q17? tinca [-\]: I would vote for the former ] ;W[mf]C[wotan123 [2d\]: ;-) ] ;B[qd]C[kimball [5d?\]: game might well be decided here ] ;W[pc] ;B[oc]C[tinca [-\]: W has better chances, dont u think? BrYanwithY [5k\]: I don't care about the live streams because I can't see the expressions on their faces kimball [5d?\]: I'd feel very uneasy beeing b, seeing n14 and k10 menacing k17 stone tinca [-\]: yes ] ;W[rd]C[MR2009 [-\]: bryanwithy: the live streams exist mainly to stream boards not transcribed on kgs, we had extra camera to show the room but it is broken ] ;B[re]C[tinca [-\]: W drives this sequence and even B manages the situattion he it will probably gote otternase [2d?\]: S16 @ O17 no good ? ] ;W[od]C[MR2009 [-\]: bryanwithy, i will look into repairing it for next round maybe otternase [2d?\]: hm better otternase [2d?\]: like this BrYanwithY [5k\]: fair enough :) choboco [1k\]: doesnt look fair ;( wotan123 [2d\]: i would a little bit scared as b choboco [1k\]: i would ask myself why i didnt do it bum style if i loose now otternase [2d?\]: strange kimball [5d?\]: any other ideas but s17? dimitriy [1k\]: p18 choboco [1k\]: c15 surprise^^ choboco [1k\]: s13 maybe wotan123 [2d\]: s17 otternase [2d?\]: r15 choboco [1k\]: nah s13 is fail ] ;B[rc]C[kimball [5d?\]: q15 now ] ;W[pe]C[wotan123 [2d\]: exchange wotan123 [2d\]: w gets outside, b the edge choboco [1k\]: r15 YusufS [3k\]: why not o17 first then q15? choboco [1k\]: q18 ladder is risk^^ ] ;B[sd] ;W[qe] ;B[rd] ;W[ob] ;B[nc] ;W[md]C[Koukkaaja [2d\]: why this way? YusufS [3k\]: yes why not o17 instead of p18? otternase [2d?\]: sente for w notter: better squeeze, less cuts wotan123 [2d\]: sacrifce technice choboco [1k\]: w can life in corner i think kimball [5d?\]: that semeai is not won yet by b ] ;B[nb]C[YusufS [3k\]: ah ok wotan123 [2d\]: n18 kimball [5d?\]: s18! gyokuro [4k\]: sorry, but what are their kgs accounts? Liqin [12k?\]: n18 is bad otternase [2d?\]: lol YusufS [3k\]: why Liqin? Grimalkin [4k\]: no Liqin it's not dimitriy [1k\]: n18 q18 n17 p19 h17 Liqin [12k?\]: b r 18 Liqin [12k?\]: he wins then otternase [2d?\]: wall +G16 for w ... Grimalkin [4k\]: W is not trying to save r17. he's trying to build a wall facing the weak k17 stone BrYanwithY [5k\]: right kimball [5d?\]: if w gets a stone around s 13 b cannot connect to q 10 anymore otternase [2d?\]: maybe w s12 ... ] ;W[mb] ;B[qb] ;W[mc] ;B[pb]C[tinca [-\]: as expected W got sente Chilltime [2k\]: g17 now? BrYanwithY [5k\]: maybe q18 could have waited? godfather1 [1k\]: g17 godfather1 [1k\]: maby h17? dimitriy [1k\]: h17 YusufS [3k\]: is h17 better than g17? and if so, why? Kyuss [1k\]: g17 is better Kyuss [1k\]: i think Kyuss [1k\]: i would even do f17 fumo [7k\]: f17 wrong? fumo [7k\]: ops ^^ Kyuss [1k\]: with the white strength, im not sure what the right move is :/ Chilltime [2k\]: f17 or g17 fumo [7k\]: with the simple rule is f17 ] ;W[hc]C[Kyuss [1k\]: ^^ Chilltime [2k\]: oh fumo [7k\]: hehehehe choboco [1k\]: taking so long to play the expected Kyuss [1k\]: its an important game, i would take long too sc1003bro [3k\]: exp sc1003bro [3k\]: exp tinca [-\]: in goe even the obvious is always in doubt sc1003bro [3k\]: x sc1003bro [3k\]: c wotan123 [2d\]: especially the obvious YusufS [3k\]: I would be at a loss for what to do as black here.... sc1003bro [3k\]: c,f,h YusufS [3k\]: what should black do? c14? l10 cut? or something else? fumo [7k\]: c11? ] ;B[li]C[tinca [-\]: any B action seems to yield a lot of W territory tinca [-\]: is this a step in before W's completing moyo? minismurf [-\]: hard to see black winning this game ] ;W[kh]C[fumo [7k\]: Silt is very strong in building and defending moyo tinca [-\]: slow by slow W has been grinding B minismurf [-\]: not so slow either :) tinca [-\]: I mean from the beginning igaza: . minismurf [-\]: with P3 danigabi had a good point, after Q2 white group is very safe, makes a big difference to the whole balance wotan123 [2d\]: yes tinca [-\]: +1 ] ;B[ki]C[tinca [-\]: how an apparently local issue spreads over... ] ;W[jh]C[tinca [-\]: W influence is growing ] ;B[mk] ;W[kj]C[wotan123 [2d\]: i think this influence is too good for w frosty [4k\]: response to n8 is t3? kidbuu: after dinner ] ;B[fc] ;W[gd] ;B[fd] ;W[fe] ;B[ge] ;W[he] ;B[ee] ;W[gf] ;B[ff] ;W[ce] ;B[ge] ;W[gg] ;B[hb] ;W[ib] ;B[fb]C[tinca [-\]: this was good lemuria [2d\]: really really good invasion by black lemuria [2d\]: seems like w underestimated it Paillard: good use of L17 aji Paillard: K17 sorry ] ;W[ic]C[minismurf [-\]: agreee, C15 location looking a bit strange now, since white suppsedly will have to defend at J17 lemuria [2d\]: i guess h15 should have been @ E16 ] ;B[cc] ;W[dc] ;B[db] ;W[ch]C[YusufS [3k\]: how much time do each of the players have left mr2009? choboco [1k\]: cant be much^^ ] ;B[cj]C[MR2009 [-\]: i'm not sure, sorry MR2009 [-\]: can't see the clock directly and too blurry on video stream YusufS [3k\]: ah ok np LEIBNIZ [3k\]: I like this C10, w will need to deal with it MR2009 [-\]: but both should be near byoyomi i think YusufS [3k\]: k ^^ lemuria [2d\]: i'd say this stone has to be too deep lemuria [2d\]: w c15 isn't weak lemuria [2d\]: and w didn't really have potential to build a lot of territory on the left side YusufS [3k\]: its not? lemuria [2d\]: w has b17 sente ] ;W[fm]C[YusufS [3k\]: ah ok LEIBNIZ [3k\]: true, I had'nt noticed that ] ;B[cl] ;W[cm] ;B[dh] ;W[dg] ;B[di] ;W[eg]C[LEIBNIZ [3k\]: F9 ] ;B[el] ;W[gn]C[lemuria [2d\]: g6 please :) MR2009 [-\]: you're welcome YusufS [3k\]: haha ] ;B[bh]C[lemuria [2d\]: anyway i think w won't be able to catch up LEIBNIZ [3k\]: if b lives, b wins ] ;W[cg]C[Javaness [2d\]: easy to live lemuria [2d\]: really ? :) Javaness [2d\]: yes, but easy to die too :) ] ;B[fr]C[MR2009 [-\]: :o ] ;W[eb]C[dxxd [-\]: haha chocogo [3d\]: ouch MR2009 [-\]: white played this even before sitting down ] ;B[cb] ;W[ec] ;B[ea] ;W[bd] ;B[bc]C[MR2009 [-\]: c16 g17 miai ] ;W[cd] ;B[gc]C[Chilltime [2k\]: white is searching the resign button now Chilltime [2k\]: xD LeT63 [1d\]: have you counted? Chilltime [2k\]: well if black lives on the left side yes xD Kachnak [2k\]: b far more territory chocogo [3d\]: w might try h19 che [-\]: Is this the last round? MR2009 [-\]: no MR2009 [-\]: there will be two more rounds MR2009 [-\]: white in byoyomi Javaness [2d\]: will they be exciting? LEIBNIZ [3k\]: chocogo, i think yr right, H19 last hope ] ;W[bi]C[melmak: w isnt behind imo ] ;B[ci]C[chocogo [3d\]: b has 2 problems now. MR2009 [-\]: javaness: for sure! ] ;W[bg]C[MR2009 [-\]: *** You can watch video streams of boards 1, 3, and 4, see my info for details! ] ;B[gk]C[che [-\]: Simara game camera doesnt work :( MR2009 [-\]: that game is over already che [-\]: oh che [-\]: who won? MR2009 [-\]: simara slept over and lost by forfeit Elscouta [3k\]: lol ] ;W[ho]C[che [-\]: :) che [-\]: thats not how to become master LEIBNIZ [3k\]: b lives YusufS [3k\]: white is behind by 7-10 or so right? LEIBNIZ [3k\]: E6 Enigmatic [5k?\]: How does b live if w plays h19? LEIBNIZ [3k\]: fight ko flosuji [2k\]: i don't think so fumo [7k\]: ko? chocogo [3d\]: there is no ko\\ chocogo [3d\]: b can push out flosuji [2k\]: w would not have played H5 if there was such a ko ] ;B[ip] ;W[fj] ;B[bj] ;W[ah]C[Qrys [10k\]: and if black play now E7? chocogo [3d\]: if white forestall the push out, b is in trouble at the top Enigmatic [5k?\]: could you give me a sequence chocogo? :P Qrys [10k\]: can he kill that thre stones? flosuji [2k\]: if w waits too much, black will eventually play J 19 sente YusufS [3k\]: which three stones Qrys? Qrys [10k\]: E7 nad three on right chocogo [3d\]: b h16 then push out at f13. But already w has a stone there now. YusufS [3k\]: nope those are connected e7 e6 chocogo [3d\]: there is cut aji at d6 for black Qrys [10k\]: ok, thanks :) chocogo [3d\]: The video streams are looking good. Nice. YusufS [3k\]: hmm what is white's best answer to black d6? MR2009 [-\]: i would provide the fifth stream too, but the network connection isn't thick enough Javaness [2d\]: H8 or H16? ] ;B[fi]C[bluetable [-\]: !!! ] ;W[gi] ;B[ha]C[MR2009 [-\]: thanks :) ] ;W[fk]C[MR2009 [-\]: i was just wondering about it flosuji [2k\]: :D Javaness [2d\]: o_O pain bistrogo [3d\]: b forgot F15 bistrogo [3d\]: or maybe he thinks he has many local threat Naysmith [1d\]: is there a webpage with the tournament progress? bistrogo [3d\]: see mr2009's info LeT63 [1d\]: it looks b can make two eyes without a connection elswhere bistrogo [3d\]: not sure of that albundy [2k\]: f8 or f12 chocogo [3d\]: 2 eyes seem possible yes bistrogo [3d\]: f8 first Path [2d\]: F8 then E10 chocogo [3d\]: f8 yes Naysmith [1d\]: thank you, bistrogo MR2009 [-\]: black is in byoyomi bistrogo [3d\]: you're welcome flosuji [2k\]: b wins ? Javaness [2d\]: b needs to live ] ;B[dk]C[minismurf [-\]: b will live bistrogo [3d\]: well eyes first ^^ ] ;W[er]C[tinca [-\]: endgame Naysmith [1d\]: yea albundy [2k\]: h16 bistrogo [3d\]: i would bet on white on this one Javaness [2d\]: H16 seems big to me ] ;B[hd] ;W[id]C[bistrogo [3d\]: s13 bistrogo [3d\]: j19 bistrogo [3d\]: many big points Naysmith [1d\]: s13 is kind of gote, no? bistrogo [3d\]: kind of big too flosuji [2k\]: there is a ko, when b J 15, then K 18 Naysmith [1d\]: well, I'm not going to argue that :) bistrogo [3d\]: :) MR2009 [-\]: white sighs and nods while black stifens a bit and seems to count the board flosuji [2k\]: is it really a ko btw? minismurf [-\]: good one flosuji MR2009 [-\]: and i missed his move MR2009 [-\]: aaaa lemuria [2d\]: ^^ Liqin [12k?\]: lol Naysmith [1d\]: hahah, typical for Silt MR2009 [-\]: help Javaness [2d\]: is anyone sitting on the sofa? MR2009 [-\]: anyone sees it? lemuria [2d\]: s13 lemuria [2d\]: of course ;) ] ;B[rg]C[MR2009 [-\]: ah lemuria [2d\]: only move :p ] ;W[fs] ;B[gs] ;W[es]C[Path [2d\]: no ko, if B J15 W H14 B can't capture anyway ] ;B[gq]C[filename [?\]: is this pro? minismurf [-\]: thats what k18 is for path? minismurf [-\]: w cant descend minismurf [-\]: or it will be a quite severe ko MR2009 [-\]: hmm MR2009 [-\]: i'm lost again lemuria [2d\]: w j9 ] ;W[ik]C[MR2009 [-\]: yes just saw it MR2009 [-\]: thx lemuria [2d\]: b f8 ] ;B[fl] ;W[gl]C[flosuji [2k\]: if w takes the ko, b can h14 then descend? lemuria [2d\]: :) ] ;B[hl] ;W[gm]C[minismurf [-\]: that is a bit too big a loss of points i think flosuji Baccano [3d\]: it looks like white has a 10 points lead or so? bistrogo [3d\]: yes about 10pts Liqin [12k?\]: if b can win the ko it looks like he'll win minismurf [-\]: b in a bit of a fix, because he needs to live with this group as well ] ;B[ej] ;W[hk] ;B[bl] ;W[jn]C[MR2009 [-\]: b asked how many stones w has; ] ;B[jo] ;W[in]C[minismurf [-\]: big loss ] ;B[an] ;W[hr] ;B[gr] ;W[hp] ;B[hq] ;W[bo]C[minismurf [-\]: w 10 more points in center ] ;B[ie]C[Baccano [3d\]: more like a 20 points lead for white now Javaness [2d\]: \\o/ Liqin [12k?\]: here comes the ko minismurf [-\]: it is not big enough anymore MR2009 [-\]: small yose in the other game :/ MR2009 [-\]: i hope i'll cope MR2009 [-\]: please watch the video streams so that we can piece this together! ;) ] ;W[gd]C[Naysmith [1d\]: my connection's too slow for that :/ chocogo [3d\]: after w h14, b has k18 ] ;B[ll] ;W[ml] ;B[hd] ;W[hf] ;B[jd]C[MR2009 [-\]: half a point ko in the other game, great :)) minismurf [-\]: just stop relaying minismurf [-\]: and tell us the result :) Naysmith [1d\]: in the other game Naysmith [1d\]: we want to see this one! :) MR2009 [-\]: nah MR2009 [-\]: that'd be lame :P chocogo [3d\]: w can just k18 it seems minismurf [-\]: k18, l18 and then? Naysmith [1d\]: k18 l18 k15 Naysmith [1d\]: something like this maybe minismurf [-\]: then b links on the side chocogo [3d\]: k15 chocogo [3d\]: but b can connect underneath minismurf [-\]: yes, is really big, but b had to give up those 5 stones in middle to get sente to do this Naysmith [1d\]: I count on w to handle this decently and still win the game :) MR2009 [-\]: ondrej repositions himself Fredrik [-\]: bigger than middle for sure Baccano [3d\]: w still leads even if black connects, but yeah the gap is narrowed. Less than 10 points to me (I suck at counting tho) ] ;W[jb] ;B[kb] ;W[gd] ;B[pm] ;W[om] ;B[hd] ;W[rh]C[Naysmith [1d\]: hmm Javaness [2d\]: connect? Naysmith [1d\]: does this work? MR2009 [-\]: they are setting the clock for next byoyomi period piku [2k\]: what if b closes ko? ] ;B[rf] ;W[gd]C[Naysmith [1d\]: g16 k15 k19 j14 j19 j15 Naysmith [1d\]: if b closes chocogo [3d\]: w loses points here ] ;B[nl]C[Naysmith [1d\]: ignore? melmak: no chocogo [3d\]: no, w might die minismurf [-\]: well, it kills? ] ;W[lk]C[Naysmith [1d\]: it does? Liqin [12k?\]: yea ] ;B[hd]C[bluetable [-\]: :( Naysmith [1d\]: h16 o7 r2 r1 r4 Naysmith [1d\]: ? ] ;W[pi]C[minismurf [-\]: yes, and the other eye? Naysmith [1d\]: r2 gives eye in sente, then t3 alive minismurf [-\]: r4 is not sente lewicowiec [1d?\]: k15 j14 k14 j13 l17 l16 m16 Sharkou [11k?\]: q12 ? Naysmith [1d\]: oh, yes Naysmith [1d\]: r4 is not sente :( ] ;B[pj]C[melmak: think b lost ] ;W[ph] ;B[oj] ;W[gd] ;B[nk] ;W[nm]C[Naysmith [1d\]: now w also has r10 s10 chocogo [3d\]: b can q14 then m13 LeT63 [1d\]: stats melmak melmak: w ++ ] ;B[ng] ;W[nf] ;B[hd] ;W[qj]C[Naysmith [1d\]: r10 ] ;B[ri]C[melmak: think even if b connects top w wins ] ;W[gd]C[Naysmith [1d\]: \\o/ ] ;B[ja]C[Naysmith [1d\]: haha ] ;W[hd] ;B[ia] ;W[kc]C[Naysmith [1d\]: k19 is submissive here ] ;B[lg]C[flosuji [2k\]: b must fixM 10 ] ;W[rj]C[Naysmith [1d\]: but m13 hurts ] ;B[sh] ;W[pk]C[chocogo [3d\]: ouch ] ;B[qk]C[flosuji [2k\]: now it hurts MR2009 [-\]: resetting byoyomi for w chocogo [3d\]: n11? ] ;W[mi]C[RunningFox [2d\]: n12? Naysmith [1d\]: good call Sponge7 [-\]: w is a meanie ] ;B[mh] ;W[mj] ;B[nh]C[Naysmith [1d\]: very strong at using aji Longshi [-\]: lol ] ;W[lh]C[lemuria [2d\]: heh ] ;B[mg]C[lemuria [2d\]: w ? Naysmith [1d\]: yes :p lemuria [2d\]: w is very strong, but this just isn't his game minismurf [-\]: but w is winning? Sponge7 [-\]: he got lazy Sponge7 [-\]: from his 20-25 pt lead Naysmith [1d\]: yes, I've seen him play better, sure piku [2k\]: l14 ? minismurf [-\]: O10 bigger kidbuu: can these 6d afford to give 4d 2 handi as in kgs? MR2009 [-\]: well thats the point of the rating system :) Longshi [-\]: probably Naysmith [1d\]: I think he can give 3h to most 4ds Naysmith [1d\]: if not all kidbuu: but for pro 9p can't give 9 handi to 1p minismurf [-\]: handicap scale stretches a bit when time limit goes down so it is hard to say kidbuu: at most 2-3 MR2009 [-\]: pro ranks work differently Sponge7 [-\]: I don´t think w can give me 4 stones MR2009 [-\]: but when you use ELO system, 100 rating points should be roughly one handi Longshi [-\]: I honestly wouldn't feel all that confident on 2 stones against white MR2009 [-\]: white is hesitant ] ;W[kf]C[Naysmith [1d\]: you can take other egf 6ds as reference, like macisajt or cornel tinca [-\]: pro 1 to 9 is 2 handi kidbuu: so 7p is not that far off from 9p i guess Javaness [2d\]: 7p can be strong than a 9p Naysmith [1d\]: can be stronger even :) ] ;B[nj] ;W[lj]C[MR2009 [-\]: pro ranks mark achievement, not strength Naysmith [1d\]: just not got his ranks yet Javaness [2d\]: professional ranks represent acheivement, not current strength Sharkou [11k?\]: depends of the age Javaness [2d\]: R2 is quite big Naysmith [1d\]: yes Naysmith [1d\]: if w gets sente to play it ] ;B[pf] ;W[of]C[Longshi [-\]: playing r4 straight away is better though for white^^ ] ;B[qf] ;W[og]C[Javaness [2d\]: i was hinting black would play it Sponge7 [-\]: w+some tomason [1d\]: do you know what is deciding the rank if 2 players have the same number of victories? kidbuu: sonder when will w play r2 piku [2k\]: SE says w+5.5 Javaness [2d\]: you mean what the tiebreakers are? tomason [1d\]: yes Sharkou [11k?\]: the streak maybe Baccano [3d\]: SE overestimate the gap a bit I think, to me it's closer than 5.5 MR2009 [-\]: tomason: i think games between the two MR2009 [-\]: since it's each-with-each system ] ;B[lc] ;W[kd] ;B[ld] ;W[ke] ;B[lb]C[piku [2k\]: SE did not count R5 ] ;W[ma]C[flosuji [2k\]: n19? flosuji [2k\]: big? MR2009 [-\]: it's sente Longshi [-\]: yeah Baccano [3d\]: nor SE count q15 Naysmith [1d\]: big MR2009 [-\]: for g19 ] ;B[na]C[Sandmann [-\]: g19 g18:P ] ;W[fe]C[Naysmith [1d\]: for p19 also MR2009 [-\]: ah minismurf [-\]: how many wins does Danek have? MR2009 [-\]: uh :) MR2009 [-\]: right :) MR2009 [-\]: minismurf, can't look now ] ;B[ek]C[minismurf [-\]: ^^ ] ;W[gj]C[Baccano [3d\]: I can't tell who's ahead anymore MR2009 [-\]: four Naysmith [1d\]: w is :p ] ;B[qr] ;W[ed] ;B[ge] ;W[mo]C[Sandmann [-\]: now w can g19 MR2009 [-\]: if b loses the ko g19 works MR2009 [-\]: yes :) Sandmann [-\]: ;) tomason [1d\]: MR, do you know other results? flosuji [2k\]: b will probably lose the ko Chilltime [2k\]: how did jan play? Naysmith [1d\]: which means that w can win the ko in sente MR2009 [-\]: in next round, we will have Silt - Nechanicky, that is bound to be interesting game Sandmann [-\]: w can g19 for kothreat piku [2k\]: no way to lose the ko lemuria [2d\]: the way w had won this game is really impressive flosuji [2k\]: w has m14 R 10 L 13 P 19 .... Naysmith [1d\]: haha, lemuria... I thought this was not his game :p MR2009 [-\]: tomason, cipra - valasek still playing, don't know about the prokop's game ] ;B[lp] ;W[fe]C[MR2009 [-\]: what's b's threat? MR2009 [-\]: b loks at loss too ] ;B[ga] ;W[fh] ;B[ge] ;W[pc]C[MR2009 [-\]: thanks :) Baccano [3d\]: =) ] ;B[oa] ;W[fe]C[MR2009 [-\]: b couldnt decid ebetween p19 and r17 XD ] ;B[oe]C[MR2009 [-\]: w sighs again Elscouta [3k\]: w doesn't even need to fill the ko now Javaness [2d\]: the game is quite close Longshi [-\]: r17 was better :p MR2009 [-\]: yes w has much more ko threats jSd [9k\]: who win? Ipexander [13k\]: w? MR2009 [-\]: hmm doesnt b still have j5 ko threat? MR2009 [-\]: or even h6 ] ;W[sr] ;B[ge]C[Naysmith [1d\]: he does ] ;W[pa] ;B[qa]C[Naysmith [1d\]: but w has 3 threats on the o10 group alone ] ;W[fe]C[AncientRib [2d\]: 4 :) MR2009 [-\]: small confusion about ko phase after setting clock MR2009 [-\]: but quickly resolved :) Longshi [-\]: 4 indeed Liqin [12k?\]: yea missed that one Naysmith [1d\]: oh Naysmith [1d\]: 4 indeed :) Naysmith [1d\]: forgot about t10 :) ] ;B[sq] ;W[sp] ;B[sn]C[Baccano [3d\]: still very close tomangel [3k\]: 10 points close .?? Baccano [3d\]: less Baccano [3d\]: more like 5 Naysmith [1d\]: yes, it's not 10 pts MR2009 [-\]: very close is +-2 points in my book ;) tomangel [3k\]: if white wins ko it is Baccano [3d\]: indeed Liqin [12k?\]: and somehow I doubt b will win this ko ] ;W[ge]C[Sharkou [11k?\]: m15 w sente , no ? tomangel [3k\]: over ] ;B[ao] ;W[ap]C[Edelweiss [1k\]: w can't lose the ko ] ;B[bm] ;W[bn] ;B[am]C[Baccano [3d\]: and 2 points was what I had in mind when saying so :p but underestimated something tomangel [3k\]: 10 points or nearly ] ;W[pp]C[Baccano [3d\]: definitly not 10 tho :p ] ;B[qp] ;W[rs]C[MR2009 [-\]: resetting clock ] ;B[ps] ;W[kg] ;B[sj]C[piku [2k\]: buy them an electronic one tomangel [3k\]: 8.5 then huffle [1d\]: 9.5 tomangel [3k\]: no less tomangel [3k\]: but anyway w wins MR2009 [-\]: white mumbles "how do i do this again?" Naysmith [1d\]: m5 ? Naysmith [1d\]: lol ] ;W[em]C[Airi [2d\]: where bum Sponge7 [-\]: bum overslept lukasz [4k\]: why e7? tomangel [3k\]: maybe fommow up D 5 E 6 .?? Beo [2k?\]: jak hraje Kruml? tomangel [3k\]: follow !:) MR2009 [-\]: beo, mel hrat spisou MR2009 [-\]: jinak ma 5 bodu, po tomhle kole 6 Liqin [12k?\]: maybe w wants just one group lemuria [2d\]: i guess its please-give-up-or-ill-win-by-.5 move Eiyuu [6k\]: That or going for an eye within F6 G5 MR2009 [-\]: a je horky favorit na vicemistra ] ;B[lo]C[Beo [2k?\]: aha, díky lukasz [4k\]: :) ] ;W[do] ;B[eo] ;W[en] ;B[ad] ;W[ae] ;B[ac] ;W[fo] ;B[io] ;W[hn] ;B[no] ;W[gp] ;B[iq]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: e11 MR2009 [-\]: ondrej sucks the white thing again MR2009 [-\]: but now it's something else it seems ] ;W[aj]C[tomason [1d\]: if scurge beats in the afternoon Kostka and Nechy will lose with Silt, scurge is 2nd in the championship ] ;B[ak] ;W[ai]C[piku [2k\]: :-)) MR2009 [-\]: or it's really chewed down by now piku [2k\]: we need pictures... MR2009 [-\]: sorry, not enough bandwidth for extra cam ] ;B[ei]C[Naysmith [1d\]: use the live stream ;) ] ;W[dm]C[piku [2k\]: what URL? MR2009 [-\]: see my info, but that's only the boards ] ;B[qs] ;W[sq] ;B[np] ;W[on]C[Liqin [12k?\]: yay another ko fight for b to lose ] ;B[ss]C[Naysmith [1d\]: w is teh ko masta MR2009 [-\]: w asked if they are to reset clocks again MR2009 [-\]: but b thinks it's the rule so they do ] ;W[bk] ;B[ck] ;W[rs]C[bluetable [-\]: what to play now? ] ;B[bp] ;W[bq] ;B[ss]C[Naysmith [1d\]: that's the last point ] ;W[da] ;B[ca] ;W[rs]C[MR2009 [-\]: unhhhhhhhh Liqin [12k?\]: lol ] ;B[aq] ;W[ar] ;B[ss]C[gyokuro [4k\]: p1 ? ] ;W[ba]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: b19 or a18 are ko threats for w Naysmith [1d\]: yes Naysmith [1d\]: pretty cool too :) MR2009 [-\]: we all laugh ] ;B[ab] ;W[rs] ;B[be] ;W[bf] ;B[ss] ;W[qj] ;B[rj]C[Naysmith [1d\]: m19 ] ;W[rs] ;B[sm] ;W[ss]C[MR2009 [-\]: b says he won't win it ] ;B[pe] ;W[lf] ;B[qj]C[Naysmith [1d\]: haha ] ;W[la] ;B[ka]TW[jc][jd][be][de][ee][ie][je][af][cf][df][ef][ff][if][jf][ag][fg][hg][ig][jg][bh][gh][hh][ih][hi][ii][ji][ki][li][hj][gk][jk][hl][il][jl][hm][im][dn][fn][co][go][bp][aq][br][cr][dr][as][bs][cs][ds]TB[aa][ba][da][fa][pa][ra][sa][bb][gb][ob][rb][sb][pc][qc][sc][qe][se][sf][sg][rh][si][dj][bk][sk][al][rl][sl][ko][mo][kp][jq][kq][lq][mq][hr][ir][jr][kr][lr][mr][pr][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os]C[Naysmith [1d\]: o15 super tesuji :) Sponge7 [-\]: surprise surprise MR2009 [-\]: kgs counts w+9.5 MR2009 [-\]: b complains about the m13 kosumi MR2009 [-\]: he thinks it was a loss MR2009 [-\]: w sayd b lost most around l8 MR2009 [-\]: and suggests b made life in the vulgar style around d7 ])