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PW[ESGC2006]PB[ESGC2006]DT[2006-09-06]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[ESGC2006 [-\]: Merlijn Kuin 6d (Netherlands) with Black vs. Pal Balogh (6d), European Student Championship, rnd 4, brd 1
ESGC2006 [-\]: Merlijn Kuin 6d (Netherlands) with Black vs. Pal Balogh 6d (Hungary), European Student Championship, rnd 4, brd 1
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;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[eo]CR[eo]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
(;W[dd]CR[dd])
(;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[cc]CR[cc]C[osullivan [3k?\]: ah dutch ppl rule!
brook: darn straight
brook: Merlijn will win for sure
Ordiac [7k\]: can you please tell me the time settings and komi ?
yoyo107: how d oyou know
ESGC2006 [-\]: time is 60 minutes and byo yomi under ing-rules
osullivan [3k?\]: merlijn for meijin
brook: just making an outrageous claim
]
;W[de]CR[de]C[yoyo107: ih hun
brook: wow nice move!
yoyo107: can someone move
]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[dm]CR[dm]C[ESGC2006 [-\]: komi is 7.5
osullivan [3k?\]: white is extremely influencial
]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[fo]CR[fo]C[brook: yes
]
;B[er]CR[er]C[Pingu007 [1d?\]: do u know the score for antoine fenech please?
AGASSI [?\]: hm,white is playing his best go...
]
;W[jo]CR[jo]C[osullivan [3k?\]: 5th line!! wow
yoyo107: i think blacks better
brook: black top left looks not very good i think
Ordiac [7k\]: k5 might be too high ?
AGASSI [?\]: it will be classic game ..territory against influence:)
FatJoe [-\]: AGASSI: are you participate in this tournament?
ESGC2006 [-\]: Antoine is on 2 points
AGASSI [?\]: no,im not student:)
Pingu007 [1d?\]: 2 on 3 games  thats it?
FatJoe [-\]: oh ic
AGASSI [?\]: next year i will , i promise :)
Pingu007 [1d?\]: thx for ur answer 
Ordiac [7k\]: so how to punish k5 ?
brook: what direction now for black
]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]C[brook: punish k5?
Harleqin [2k?\]: f17 looks very big now
]
;W[nq]CR[nq]C[Ordiac [7k\]: omg thats exactly what w wants ?
brook: is k5 an overplay? i dont think so
Meyerhold [13k\]: Overplay only if it's viewed as a territorial move.
]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[oh]CR[oh]
;B[qf]CR[qf]C[Ordiac [7k\]: no i didnt call it overplay , just thinking maybe it too high
]
;W[ne]CR[ne]C[Idn [4k\]: very big moyo
brook: its good for the center i think
AGASSI [?\]: O15 ?:)
Pingu007 [1d?\]: j11! :)
Fukurokuji [12k\]: K10 
Ordiac [7k\]: yes thats why i dont get r3 , that seems to help w imho
Fukurokuji [12k\]: :)
Idn [4k\]: if black live in he win, if white kill, he win ; )
brook: when will black enter
Meyerhold [13k\]: The lower side is quite hard to make anything out of anyway, no?
Pingu007 [1d?\]: k10 is to classic
Pingu007 [1d?\]: be more imaginative boys
cakewalk [12k\]: M16 
Ordiac [7k\]: f15
Akimoon [6k?\]: but influence against territory is classic, too ;)
grwip [12k\]: a 19
Ordiac [7k\]: no not a19 :)
grwip [12k\]: but it's not classic...
grwip [12k\]: ;-)
cakewalk [12k\]: D9 
brook: e10
Ordiac [7k\]: hmmm
brook: nah'
brook: hard!
Ordiac [7k\]: o13 my best local guess
]
;B[ii]CR[ii]C[Akimoon [6k?\]: the pingu wins
ESGC2006 [-\]: :-)
]
;W[kj]CR[kj]C[Lebertran [6k\]: ah looks like it will be a funny game
breakfast [1p\]: macisajt's style is exciting :)
Idn [4k\]: chut ^^ il y a un pro parmis nous, évitons de dire des bétise ^^
nabax [6k?\]: w is macisajt?
minismurf [-\]: w already had J11 read out completely, so plays the next move quickly
breakfast [1p\]: yes
nabax [6k?\]: ok
nabax [6k?\]: is b known in kgs too?
breakfast [1p\]: i know only 2 players, playing these openings:
]
;B[ki]CR[ki]C[breakfast [1p\]: Takemiya and macisajt :)
nabax [6k?\]: lol
Ordiac [7k\]: hmm then im sure b will win , i seen majic aji play a slow game , hes way better at 10 sec games i think
cakewalk [12k\]: does black play here? in kgs?
breakfast [1p\]: who can tell me the link to the tournament table?
FatJoe [-\]: b is 'spirit' on kgs
minismurf [-\]: is k11 possible, or crude?
nabax [6k?\]: thx fatjoe
ESGC2006 [-\]: the tanle is not yet on Internet
Jing1984 [?\]: http://www.czech-go.net/ecs2006/
Aivonix [10k\]: macisajt vs spirit?
poika [3d?\]: white's outer influence works cumulatively, black has 4 corners
Ordiac [7k\]: lol spirit ...
]
;W[li]CR[li]
;B[kh]CR[kh]
;W[jj]CR[jj]C[Ordiac [7k\]: then w has no chance
breakfast [1p\]: which round is it? who is leading the tournament?
Lebertran [6k\]: round 3
Werfeus [3d\]: round 4--
breakfast [1p\]: thx
AGASSI [?\]: :)
Lebertran [6k\]: oh yes...
ESGC2006 [-\]: Kuin, Balogh and Brunner have 3 wins
]
;B[hg]CR[hg]C[Lebertran [6k\]: http://www.czech-go.net/ecs2006/
]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[lh]CR[lh]C[breakfast [1p\]: how about russian and ukrainian players?
]
;W[mi]CR[mi]C[breakfast [1p\]: Bogatskij, Galchenko, Nemlij?
ESGC2006 [-\]: Bogadsky is on 1
dantesx [20k\]: o.o
ESGC2006 [-\]: Nemlij has 2
AGASSI [?\]: what bogatskij lost 2 games?
AGASSI [?\]: against who?
ESGC2006 [-\]: yes
breakfast [1p\]: :(
Ordiac [7k\]: where is biggest now ?
FatJoe [-\]: kuin & balogh? ;\]
ESGC2006 [-\]: Against Fenech and a Czech player
chtitenana [1d\]: what did fenech antoine did?
Idn [4k\]: Antoine Fenech !! yeah c'est un francais !!
Idn [4k\]: aller antoine !
dantesx [20k\]: ^^
pandaah [12k\]: ^^
ESGC2006 [-\]: 2 points
AGASSI [?\]: wow
AGASSI [?\]: antoine forever!
Pinguschaf [4d\]: yeah^^
Pinguschaf [4d\]: antoine, marry me
ESGC2006 [-\]: any suggestions for black?
]
;B[ie]CR[ie]C[Ordiac [7k\]: nope didnt think of j15 8[
Pinguschaf [4d\]: the white stones dont work together...
AGASSI [?\]: ah,i feel that black doesnt know what to play:)
]
;W[id]CR[id]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[Pinguschaf [4d\]: u mean j15 is bad?
Ninjinka [2k\]: sorry what's the meaning of ESGC ?
Pinguschaf [4d\]: european student etc
Ordiac [7k\]: lol nono not me , but out all possible i think about j15 was not one of them
Akimoon [6k?\]: european student... too slow :(
Ninjinka [2k\]: ahhh ok thanx :)
ESGC2006 [-\]: European Student Go Championship
]
;W[hd]CR[hd]C[CBlue [9k\]: how about j15 at d13? or is that nonsense ^^
AGASSI [?\]: i dont know...black is trying to play soft...but black doesnt have so much territory
Ordiac [7k\]: hehe cb d13 indeed i was looking at too :)
AGASSI [?\]: is not that game when alive in centre will be enough for black:)
CBlue [9k\]: :\]
Ordiac [7k\]: really ?
minismurf [-\]: that's a fun game though :)
]
;B[je]CR[je]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[AGASSI [?\]: dont you think if white jump on S10 ,then white's territory is terrible big?
Ordiac [7k\]: well not really
AGASSI [?\]: a so :)
Ordiac [7k\]: id think b can still live inside
AGASSI [?\]: wow
CBlue [9k\]: so d13 wasnt a good idea either huh
FatJoe [-\]: :D
Ordiac [7k\]: w too thin to left and bottom
phonggggg [8k\]: I don't think so
AGASSI [?\]: after S10 jump inside and alive?
FatJoe [-\]: alive and kill everything around
Ordiac [7k\]: well could start with m5 ?
TotoroShan [9k\]: in sente
]
;B[md]CR[md]C[AGASSI [?\]: M5? ...you should be brother of lee sedol
dantesx [20k\]: lol
]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[pc]CR[pc]C[AGASSI [?\]: ok,we will see:)
emk [5k\]: u mean overplay as often as sedol?
emk [5k\]: ^^
]
;W[pe]CR[pe]C[Ns [4k\]: minismurf you have an very old account in kgs
Idn [4k\]: P4 is possible for blanck ?
Idn [4k\]: black
Ordiac [7k\]: id guess r15 here
melonazo [13k\]: Hi there! Who´re the players?
ReSurGencE [24k\]: ive seen older acc
]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[od]CR[od]C[Aivonix [10k\]: macisajt vs spirit
melonazo [13k\]: wow!
ESGC2006 [-\]: Merlijn Kuin 6d (Netherlands) with Black vs. Pal Balogh (6d), European Student Championship, rnd 4, brd 1
melonazo [13k\]: Agassi left again tennis to join us... So long without him... ^^
]
;W[nf]CR[nf]C[AGASSI [?\]: :)
]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[op]CR[op]C[minismurf [-\]: hmm
AGASSI [?\]: maybe atari N3 and connect M2?
AGASSI [?\]: going for more territory
Ordiac [7k\]: atari is foor noobs ? like eyes are for kyu :)
janibi [6k\]: ah
Ordiac [7k\]: and i add : like shape is for dans :)
AGASSI [?\]: for sure black will continue here,if not then P3 is not good
janibi [6k\]: merljin go ***_****
dantesx [20k\]: go go merlijn go!
janibi [6k\]: yeah
AGASSI [?\]: maybe S4 ..but why did he stop?
AGASSI [?\]: its strange to play P3 and then start to think about next move:)
]
;B[ij]CR[ij]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[Ordiac [7k\]: yep 
melonazo [13k\]: n3 now
Ordiac [7k\]: i guess b think he win even if w get all that
Ordiac [7k\]: so j8 now ?
minismurf [-\]: who do you think is better agassi?
AGASSI [?\]: hmm,i want to play white
AGASSI [?\]: should be fantastic feeling to win with this strategy
mihai [1k\]: who is black?
Ordiac [7k\]: but is top right settled or b need gote there ?
AGASSI [?\]: and i also think white is leading,black's territory are quite small and lot of aji..for example R15
]
;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[fb]CR[fb]C[mihai [1k\]: did Pal Balogh won in round 3?
dantesx [20k\]: yep
]
;B[ec]CR[ec]C[AGASSI [?\]: oh,thsi is bad move
AGASSI [?\]: im sure:)
sunra [14k\]: sorry i just came, is that maci again here?
]
;W[fc]CR[fc]C[FatJoe [-\]: yes
Ordiac [7k\]: well i cant say that out loud :)
AGASSI [?\]: E17 i neber have seen before:)
krehl [22k?\]: i'm sure this question was already asked by someone, but who is playing here? :)
sunra [14k\]: looks l w would be maci?
AGASSI [?\]: joseki is to play hane B16 and then counter F17
]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[hf]CR[hf]
;B[ig]CR[ig]C[Fukurokuji [12k\]: can w kill black center group?
Fukurokuji [12k\]: like M14 
Ordiac [7k\]: sur ebut very very unlikely
melonazo [13k\]: no
AGASSI [?\]: M14 is good point,but black strong enough
]
;W[if]CR[if]
;B[jf]CR[jf]C[AGASSI [?\]: M14 gote
melonazo [13k\]: but can push it to get some advantage
]
;W[gg]CR[gg]C[sunra [14k\]: looks like game becomes very hard for w now
AGASSI [?\]: really?
sunra [14k\]: c6 hurts too
sunra [14k\]: dunno im weak
sunra [14k\]: but for me it looks like
poika [3d?\]: i'd bet my money on white
Ns [4k\]: if b E15, what will w do?
jameswest [9k?\]: who is the player today?
AGASSI [?\]: i think if white can safe cut E15, then white cant lose
jameswest [9k?\]: are
ESGC2006 [-\]: Merlijn Kuin 6d (Netherlands) with Black vs. Pal Balogh (6d), European Student Championship, rnd 4, brd 1
Ordiac [7k\]: i think i know why p3 ?
]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[fd]CR[fd]C[minismurf [-\]: really?
]
;B[eg]CR[eg]C[vondutch: wow
minismurf [-\]: hmm, just let white eat?
Ordiac [7k\]: becos n3 is atari , b m5 might not even be overplay
melonazo [13k\]: macisajt is white
doumtak [?\]: hello .. what's the problem ?
Ordiac [7k\]: and b has r9 too
sunra [14k\]: this is what i ment before the ugly aji from c6 here
chmol [6k\]: where can we see the result of all the players?
]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[gh]CR[gh]C[Idn [4k\]: blanc est en avance non ?
vondutch: non
doumtak [?\]: so we have to play white ?
jameswest [9k?\]: le moyo est pas mal qd meme
jameswest [9k?\]: ...
AGASSI [?\]: i play white fors ure:)
doumtak [?\]: ok
]
;W[gf]CR[gf]C[sunra [14k\]: agassi you still think w wins?
vondutch: i would play black
sunra [14k\]: same vondutch
Infostuden [9k\]: me black too
Ordiac [7k\]: id lose with both :)
Infostuden [9k\]: :-)(
vondutch: lol :)
Doggy [25k\]: it looks like white is gonna win
sfrex [8k\]: do u believe in a retired person
dantesx [20k\]: lol
]
;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[ch]CR[ch]C[AGASSI [?\]: sure white winsú
Doggy [25k\]: lol :)
sunra [14k\]: i sometimes play chess against myself and loose all the time .(
]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[np]CR[np]C[doumtak [?\]: and win too no ?
Doggy [25k\]: i'm wondering why
sunra [14k\]: maybe
AGASSI [?\]: but last white's  move i dont like
]
;B[rj]CR[rj]C[AGASSI [?\]: C12
]
;W[rq]CR[rq]C[AGASSI [?\]: in C12 i will finish game with S11
Doggy [25k\]: hm
Ordiac [7k\]: Oo
Doggy [25k\]: are you 6d? x\]
piksieben [15k\]: if you lose against yourself all the time then you definitely have a "glass half empty" mentality going
Ordiac [7k\]: sure he is :)
FRaiSoo [4k?\]: AGASSI is stronger than dark vador
AGASSI [?\]: but you know Pal  doestn liek to win to easily:)
vondutch: nah, i still think the glass is twice too big
sunra [14k\]: what dinderstein thinks ?   ::))
Idn [4k\]: S3 very big !
Ordiac [7k\]: i dont think s3 is big enough
sunra [14k\]: dinerstein*, sorry
vondutch: dinerchtein
Hilarius [7k\]: who's playing?
CBlue [9k\]: it's dinerchtein
AGASSI [?\]: Macisajt needs to lose ..then the game gwet exciting for him:)
ESGC2006 [-\]: Pal played s3 with confidence
sunra [14k\]: i know :(
Harleqin [2k?\]: of course
Harleqin [2k?\]: it's almost sente
Ordiac [7k\]: play your strong moves looking weak , and vice versa :)
AGASSI [?\]: come on he plays always with selfconfidence:)
CBlue [9k\]: how about Q9?
Doggy [25k\]: i think black will play
Hilarius [7k\]: who's playing?
Doggy [25k\]: around S7
Doggy [25k\]: or K3
janibi [6k\]: s2
vondutch: black wants R9 
ESGC2006 [-\]: yes, but now he made a wide gesture :-)
vondutch: probably because otherwise he couldn't reach that corner
]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[or]CR[or]C[Doggy [25k\]: lol
]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[mr]CR[mr]C[Doggy [25k\]: N2
]
;B[os]CR[os]C[CBlue [9k\]: good, doggy
Doggy [25k\]: xD
Hilarius [7k\]: good doggy?
Doggy [25k\]: M3? :O
Jing1984 [?\]: agassi, how would you feel if you were white now?
CBlue [9k\]: R9 ?
sunra [14k\]: under pressure, soon
janibi [6k\]: hm
vondutch: black really needs to enter that moyo
vondutch: J8 and the like
vonfausten [7k?\]: jing, that's racist :P
Jing1984 [?\]: :)
]
;W[qk]CR[qk]C[CBlue [9k\]: \\o/
melonazo [13k\]: m3
Hilarius [7k\]: omg, no finnish players in the tournament
vondutch: M3 too small it seems, J8 first?
]
;B[lq]CR[lq]C[vondutch: lol
CBlue [9k\]: ^^
vondutch: bigger than i thought apparently
]
;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[lr]CR[lr]C[CBlue [9k\]: ordiac, u still here?
melonazo [13k\]: s8 or j8 the other points to reduce moyo
vondutch: C7 big too
CBlue [9k\]: M5?
]
;W[ri]CR[ri]C[AGASSI [?\]: already i will worry little bit,but tis because of C12:)
AGASSI [?\]: what is C12???
melonazo [13k\]: m5?
Ordiac [7k\]: 3rd line extension ?
tukan [13k\]: medvede
tukan [13k\]: komentujes? :)
janibi [6k\]: hm
janibi [6k\]: m5?
melonazo [13k\]: m5 several
vondutch: M5 would be great if N5 didn't stop it effectivly
]
;B[si]CR[si]C[melonazo [13k\]: noooo
]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[rk]CR[rk]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[rl]CR[rl]
;W[rm]CR[rm]C[janibi [6k\]: j8?
Ordiac [7k\]: s5
]
;B[il]CR[il]C[melonazo [13k\]: yes
janibi [6k\]: haha
]
;W[mp]CR[mp]C[vondutch: enter the moyo, enter it :)
]
;B[jk]CR[jk]C[Ordiac [7k\]: "hands up"
minismurf [-\]: R15 has some aji now too?
melonazo [13k\]: no...
Ordiac [7k\]: nah
sunra [14k\]: it like so often, this cosmic go style looks so great, but in the end :(
janibi [6k\]: smaller and smaller and smaller
Ordiac [7k\]: its a lot of aji :)
melonazo [13k\]: white connects in sente or black captures in gote
Jing1984 [?\]: is this resignation time for white?
ESGC2006 [-\]: Pal is reading the upper right!
minismurf [-\]: i say r15 very hard to stop
melonazo [13k\]: revenge is pleasure of gods ^^
Ordiac [7k\]: lol but then its not some aji ? its eminently playable ?
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[Ordiac [7k\]: trade corner for moyo ?
]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[melonazo [13k\]: lol
Ordiac [7k\]: i thought that moyo was more
janibi [6k\]: hm
melonazo [13k\]: q18?
janibi [6k\]: what happened now
Ordiac [7k\]: no s15
sunra [14k\]: cant see corner is dead
Ordiac [7k\]: plain old give p15 stones for w moyo
]
;W[re]CR[re]C[vondutch: S17?
melonazo [13k\]: I can see the corner for white..
Jing1984 [?\]: what's time limit?
sunra [14k\]: i would try to safe the corner too, 
sunra [14k\]: melonazo, how? if b s17?
]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[rf]CR[rf]C[Jing1984 [?\]: ESGC06 how much time do thay have?
Ordiac [7k\]: empty triangle wins
doumtak [?\]: j'capte pas .. c quoi cette partie ?
koroshiya [9k?\]: b S17 has w R18 for some result
Idn [4k\]: S16 ?
AGASSI [?\]: i told you guys ablout aji R15,no?:)
Ordiac [7k\]: way back
melonazo [13k\]: ^^
]
;B[rg]CR[rg]C[Ordiac [7k\]: but w had to tenuki k9 to get it
melonazo [13k\]: Agassi smashed the ball! ^^
sunra [14k\]: ok but not the corner ^^
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Ordiac [7k\]: so if w dont kill its resign time
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[envy [?\]: who ıs plazıng?
]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[envy [?\]: playing?
sunra [14k\]: but w ends in sente
]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[sf]CR[sf]
;W[kl]CR[kl]C[AGASSI [?\]: black should cry...:(
koroshiya [9k?\]: w = macisajt some said earlier
vondutch: C7 now?
envy [?\]: black?
vondutch: yes
clansman [1d\]: merijin kuin is black
envy [?\]: ok
]
;B[kr]CR[kr]C[Idn [4k\]: C7 ?
Ordiac [7k\]: ah its ing rules so prisoners dont count ?
]
;W[cm]CR[cm]
;B[bn]CR[bn]C[melonazo [13k\]: b 1c0 is big
Werfeus [3d\]: yes they do count..
Ordiac [7k\]: nah thats dame ?
sfrex [8k\]: how can w win?
koroshiya [9k?\]: how many points is p18... i guess b has to fill t16 and t15 anyways
vondutch: F8 is becoming interesting for black
Donete [2d\]: having more territory than black
Donete [2d\]: sfrex
Idn [4k\]:  sfrex [8k\]: with more points than blanc ; )
sfrex [8k\]: really?
Shikamaru2 [17k?\]: what is this
doumtak [?\]: lol
Donete [2d\]: yes
]
;W[bd]CR[bd]C[poketen [9k\]: Blacks influence radiates all the way from A1 to A19..
Donete [2d\]: seems incredible
]
;B[di]CR[di]
;W[ci]CR[ci]C[Donete [2d\]: but it true
Donete [2d\]: :)
]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[ba]CR[ba]C[doumtak [?\]: i understand now
Donete [2d\]: ko
]
;W[ca]CR[ca]
;B[ea]CR[ea]C[Ordiac [7k\]: this should be a ko ?
]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[dk]CR[dk]C[Ryuuichi [15k\]: well this is just peachyu
]
;W[bm]CR[bm]
;B[kk]CR[kk]
;W[lk]CR[lk]C[Idn [4k\]: ko de 1000 ans ?
]
;B[jl]CR[jl]
;W[km]CR[km]
;B[fl]CR[fl]
;W[gm]CR[gm]
;B[gl]CR[gl]C[envy [?\]: no ldn, only 400 years
rayen [5k\]: it could also be seki
myself [4k\]: I think if white wins the ko it is only a seki
Donete [2d\]: yes
]
;W[jb]CR[jb]C[TotoroShan [9k\]: what's a 400 years ko ?
]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[kb]CR[kb]C[emk [5k\]: bad humor
Ryuuichi [15k\]: not the 1000 years ko fpr one thing...
Ryuuichi [15k\]: for*
Idn [4k\]: ko de 1000 ans becaus white never connecte the ko
]
;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[lb]CR[lb]C[TotoroShan [9k\]: ok
Idn [4k\]: j'ai l'impression de parler le jcvd
Idn [4k\]: : )
]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[cg]CR[cg]C[goedeljp [4k\]: no 10000 year ko
envy [?\]: french ko
doumtak [?\]: jcvd ?
sunra [14k\]: game is close?
myself [4k\]: pretty close
CBlue [9k\]: G3?
]
;B[jq]CR[jq]C[myself [4k\]: if white gets the seki in the end he will have a lead
]
;W[an]CR[an]C[Ordiac [7k\]: tenuki !
Idn [4k\]: if white kill too
rayen [5k\]: yeah
Idn [4k\]: ^^
Ordiac [7k\]: L4 bigger
rayen [5k\]: b should tenuki
]
;B[bo]CR[bo]
;W[rp]CR[rp]C[rayen [5k\]: :S
vondutch: ahw
Ordiac [7k\]: aargh 8[
vondutch: S6?
]
;B[sm]CR[sm]
;W[rn]CR[rn]C[melonazo [13k\]: l4
]
;B[kp]CR[kp]C[Ordiac [7k\]: s7 is very por yose ?
rayen [5k\]: it is only dame point so I dont see why b B5 
]
;W[ko]CR[ko]C[Ordiac [7k\]: **t7
rayen [5k\]: and the 2 stones wasnt in atari
]
;B[ck]CR[ck]
;W[bk]CR[bk]C[MateuszM [3k\]: are they in byo yomi ?
Ordiac [7k\]: t7 will be captured , no ?
vondutch: P18?
ESGC2006 [-\]: not yet
Idn [4k\]: H3 big
]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[oa]CR[oa]C[poketen [9k\]: how long is byo yomi.. 1 min?
ESGC2006 [-\]: 10 minutes costs 2 points
roronoa [4k?\]: no byo yomi
myself [4k\]: H3 does seem big, i'm just wondering if black has a tesuji to stop it
Ordiac [7k\]: ??
melonazo [13k\]: h18
ESGC2006 [-\]: you can have 3x 10 minutes maximum
]
;B[qa]CR[qa]C[Ordiac [7k\]: lol duuuh
rayen [5k\]: ah kinda same as ING rules :p
myself [4k\]: I think G3 actually works against H3
Werfeus [3d\]:  they are ing rules..
]
;W[hq]CR[hq]C[rayen [5k\]: ah
Idn [4k\]: ^^
rayen [5k\]: wasnt ING byoyomi though ?=
Ordiac [7k\]: but thats unfair ?
envy [?\]: d14
]
;B[hb]CR[hb]
;W[fa]CR[fa]C[Ordiac [7k\]: w can trade komi for 30 minutes ?
Werfeus [3d\]: komi is probably 8 points..
]
;B[df]CR[df]C[rayen [5k\]: yeah
Donete [2d\]: 7'5
]
;W[ad]CR[ad]C[Werfeus [3d\]: 8..
jameswest [9k?\]: 8 poins!!?
]
;B[ac]CR[ac]C[rayen [5k\]: ING rules are 8 I think
]
;W[fe]CR[fe]C[rayen [5k\]: they atleast used to be
roronoa [4k?\]: 8 but black wins tie
Ordiac [7k\]: esgc said komi was 7.5
Werfeus [3d\]: there can't be tie
Donete [2d\]: yes
Donete [2d\]: :)
myself [4k\]: what to do about this ko???
Ordiac [7k\]: nothing :)
koroshiya [9k?\]: don't play the ko
myself [4k\]: it seems like white will win at the end of the game
Jing1984 [?\]: it's seki
myself [4k\]: oh you're right
Jing1984 [?\]: cos if black want to live, he can gat killed
envy [?\]: w can play but risky
rayen [5k\]: b doesnt have big enought threaths to win
ubergeek [16k\]: it's not seki necessarily
MateuszM [3k\]: w can make a ko to kill
myself [4k\]: w can't win unless he has two ko threats
Ordiac [7k\]: no its not seki yet ?
]
;B[ip]CR[ip]C[koroshiya [9k?\]: if one side has more big ko threats, they can play a ko like this in the very end
]
;W[hp]CR[hp]C[Mushishi [6d\]: if white wins jigoes 8pts and 7,5pts are the same aren't they
melonazo [13k\]: tha will not be seki
Idn [4k\]: white have only one group !
envy [?\]: what is kgs nicname of black player?
koroshiya [9k?\]: err if b has more big ko threats, b can play the ko, i mean xD
CBlue [9k\]: w can turn it into seki or ko as he likes to
]
;B[gr]CR[gr]C[rayen [5k\]: spirit 
rayen [5k\]: doesnt play much here I think
CBlue [9k\]: b cant do anything about it.
]
;W[hm]CR[hm]C[Ordiac [7k\]: w can play a19 , ignore b ko threat play d18 , then have free ko threat ??
myself [4k\]: B can try to win the ko, CBlue
Hoshiman [6k\]: sry who is playing?
sunra [14k\]: w cant turn this into a seki!
AGASSI [?\]: white won lot,no?
]
;B[io]CR[io]C[Rairul [14k\]: can b win the ko?
koroshiya [9k?\]: b can play D19 or D18 for winning 3 stones and 2 points of territory
Rairul [14k\]: he can't
]
;W[hl]CR[hl]
;B[hk]CR[hk]C[myself [4k\]: he can, if he has enough threats
]
;W[hr]CR[hr]C[CBlue [9k\]: yeah b of course can try to win it, if w decides to make it a ko :)
myself [4k\]: it already is a ko, black just has to play D19 and the ko begins
]
;B[jn]CR[jn]C[Rairul [14k\]: koro he dies if he plays D19 or D18
CBlue [9k\]: oh right lol
Rairul [14k\]: oh
Rairul [14k\]: wait
Rairul [14k\]: this is complicated -.-
]
;W[kn]CR[kn]C[myself [4k\]: think hard
koroshiya [9k?\]: he doesn't die from D19 or D18 .......
myself [4k\]: THEN speak
vonfausten [7k?\]: hmm... whoever wins the ko... basically wins the game <_<
]
;B[ji]CR[ji]C[CBlue [9k\]: actually it's easy :p
]
;W[lj]CR[lj]
;B[in]CR[in]C[Rairul [14k\]: what game is this?
vonfausten [7k?\]: chess
]
;W[fm]CR[fm]C[poketen [9k\]: Myself.. if I could think hard.. then no need to speak :)
]
;B[el]CR[el]C[Rairul [14k\]: who against who?
koroshiya [9k?\]: some european youth tournament
vondutch: white vs black
]
;W[dq]CR[dq]C[impulse [5k\]: so is that the same as a 1000 year ko?
]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[dn]CR[dn]
;B[em]CR[em]C[Ryuuichi [15k\]: *crickets*
koroshiya [9k?\]: macisajt vs meijin
CBlue [9k\]: so b's choice: ko or up to w.  w's choice: seki or ko. ^^
]
;W[en]CR[en]C[koroshiya [9k?\]: meirling
koroshiya [9k?\]: something
]
;B[hn]CR[hn]
;W[gn]CR[gn]C[turingtest [10k\]: what is esgc ? a championship ?
Rairul [14k\]: how can white create seki?
Donete [2d\]: europena student go championship
koroshiya [9k?\]: by capturing at a19 and then filling b19
Gresil [17k\]: rairul, it IS a seki unless white makes it a ko
Ryuuichi [15k\]: only b can create seki
poketen [9k\]: european student go championship?
]
;B[cf]CR[cf]C[roronoa [4k?\]: rairul, take the ko then connect
turingtest [10k\]: thx.
CBlue [9k\]: if w plays a19 and also b19
]
;W[bf]CR[bf]C[Werfeus [3d\]: do people have a problem looking at esgc2006's info?
doumtak [?\]: they can't play this ko in my mind
goedeljp [4k\]: if w has only one big kozai...
Ryuuichi [15k\]: they seem to...
Ordiac [7k\]: no not untill after the passing
]
;B[sd]CR[sd]C[Rairul [14k\]: well, won't w just close all his ko threats if b leaves him the choice?
]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[se]CR[se]C[sunra [14k\]: why they destroy all teir threats here?
]
;W[sr]CR[sr]
;B[pa]CR[pa]C[koroshiya [9k?\]: destroyed w threats
]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[Ordiac [7k\]: but if its not japanese rules i think can fill in own terrirory withou losing points ?
Ordiac [7k\]: so can take all possible ko threats away
AGASSI [?\]: there is no win for black
Ryuuichi [15k\]: b can just a19
]
;B[rs]CR[rs]C[Ordiac [7k\]: lol
koroshiya [9k?\]: b a19 and the whole corner dies
Ordiac [7k\]: you 15k ?
]
;W[le]CR[le]C[Ryuuichi [15k\]: oh
ForVerKyu [13k\]: a19 dead
Ryuuichi [15k\]: nm
ForVerKyu [13k\]: ?
Ryuuichi [15k\]: >  <
Ryuuichi [15k\]: first glance
poketen [9k\]: can B win the ko and stay alive on the upper left.. doesn't seem to be much ko threats left.. 
Ryuuichi [15k\]: mind misfired
Ryuuichi [15k\]: ect
koroshiya [9k?\]: it doesn't seem like there are any big enough threats for either side, so neither side can start the ko... it's a seki
ForVerKyu [13k\]: no ko no cry
Rookwood [10k\]: no, woman, no cry
CBlue [9k\]: if w has same amount of ko threats as b he'd turn it into seki, if he has 1+ more then ko i guess.. if b has more ko threats then he'll win it in any situation?..
Ordiac [7k\]: well actually its : no, wonam dont cry :)
Ryuuichi [15k\]: erm
koroshiya [9k?\]: any threats that are applicable here have to be something like 35 points
Hoshiman [6k\]: w is leading
poketen [9k\]: loooks like he needs two bigger ko threats to get the upper left
ForVerKyu [13k\]: chosei ?
Rookwood [10k\]: what's a wonam?
envy [?\]: no venom no cry
myself [4k\]: I believe that w C2 is a big enough threat
Hoshiman [6k\]: w will win for sure
Ordiac [7k\]: its ar Ordiac that cant type
sunra [14k\]: its unbelivalble but it seems that w wins big :) the old proverb: if b has four corners or no corner w wins :)
ESGC2006 [-\]: Black tried to be within time limits
myself [4k\]: oh no
ESGC2006 [-\]: they played very fast... I lost track
myself [4k\]: NOOOO
Hoshiman [6k\]: can someone tell me who is playing???
envy [?\]: who won?
ForVerKyu [13k\]: not me :)
koroshiya [9k?\]: macisajt won on time, it seems. the opponent was lin meirjin or someone
ESGC2006 [-\]: still busy
Ryuuichi [15k\]: Merlijn Kuin 6d (Netherlands) with Black vs. Pal Balogh (6d), European Student Championship, rnd 4, brd 1
vondutch: ESGC: can you at least create the current situation?
ESGC2006 [-\]: Black is in byo yomi
Hoshiman [6k\]: thx
Ordiac [7k\]: well ok id guess w wins
Rookwood [10k\]: Marley lyrics: http://www.bobmarley.com/songs/songs.cgi?nowoman
Ryuuichi [15k\]: mp
]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[mb]CR[mb]C[Ryuuichi [15k\]: np*
]
;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[lf]CR[lf]
;B[ir]CR[ir]
;W[hs]CR[hs]
;B[ao]CR[ao]
;W[am]CR[am]C[Rairul [14k\]: even if corner lives w wins so...
]
;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[bl]CR[bl]
;B[ia]CR[ia]
;W[ja]CR[ja]C[doumtak [?\]: is it a tournament ?
]
;B[ha]CR[ha]C[Ryuuichi [15k\]: ...
]
;W[gs]CR[gs]
;B[fs]CR[fs]C[Ryuuichi [15k\]: ^&*##^%**((*#$@&$
Rairul [14k\]: euro student championship
]
;W[do]CR[do]C[norsupossu [16k\]: isnt black pretty bad behind
doumtak [?\]: ok
]
;B[co]CR[co]
;W[gq]CR[gq]C[Jefia [12k\]: he is
myself [4k\]: C2 is a big threat...
]
;B[fr]CR[fr]C[Rairul [14k\]: black is far behind even if corner lives
TotoroShan [9k\]: omg, just look at esgc2006 info
Rairul [14k\]: black will close it before going into ko, but I think w should take the ko now and go into ko war
federles [-\]: black cannot close it
myself [4k\]: why do you think that, rairul?
Pingu007 [1d?\]: what totoro?
Rairul [14k\]: because he has a threat or two, and he doesn't lose if corner lives
koroshiya [9k?\]: not very sensible to start ko now for w... first have to pass once for a19
Jefia [12k\]: w wins anyway maybe black thinks that corners alive
koroshiya [9k?\]: wait until every 1 point move is filled, then see if ko is doable
Ryuuichi [15k\]: hmmm
Ryuuichi [15k\]: w_komi
Ryuuichi [15k\]: +
melonazo [13k\]: seems like white will win.... he can´t lose any point...
Hoshiman [6k\]: w shouldn't play the ko because if it becomes seki he will win also
]
;W[go]CR[go]
;B[ho]CR[ho]C[norsupossu [16k\]: black has to have prettu much of threats
Pingu007 [1d?\]: h5??
Rairul [14k\]: they play chinese rules?
Donete [2d\]: ing's rules
Ryuuichi [15k\]: ...
sunra [14k\]: b -2 points now ::)
Ryuuichi [15k\]: what fresh hell...
ESGC2006 [-\]: In the end this was played..
Pingu007 [1d?\]: in the end ok
CBlue [9k\]: err
Pingu007 [1d?\]: but there are still points
Ordiac [7k\]: ??
Rairul [14k\]: what?
Idn [4k\]: o_O
]
(;W[jm]CR[jm])
(;W[db]CR[db])
(;W[aa]CR[aa]C[myself [4k\]: what a tease!
Rairul [14k\]: :O
melonazo [13k\]: jajajaj
Ryuuichi [15k\]: rawr
ESGC2006 [-\]: Black took a point
]
;B[mh]CR[mh]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[ba]CR[ba]C[ESGC2006 [-\]: I will check
doumtak [?\]: ? is it finish ?
ESGC2006 [-\]: Vit Brunner won
BurningHot [5k?\]: W?
ESGC2006 [-\]: Thanks, see you all!
pisica [4k?\]: thanx for broadcasting the games ESGC. :)
]
;W[ns]CR[ns]
;B[da]CR[da]
;W[or]CR[or]C[Ryuuichi [15k\]: ...
Ryuuichi [15k\]: \\
CBlue [9k\]: heh
Ordiac [7k\]: omfg
sunra [14k\]: whats this?
norsupossu [16k\]: new ko
Ryuuichi [15k\]: what fresh hell???
CBlue [9k\]: f14?..
ESGC2006 [-\]: and white won that last ko
myself [4k\]: pfff C2 was bigger
reksio [1k\]: b has no threats
doumtak [?\]: f14 no ?
Ordiac [7k\]: f14 ?
ESGC2006 [-\]: sorry, they played to be in time (byo yomi costs points)
norsupossu [16k\]: i think black is going to resign
Ryuuichi [15k\]: yees
orsp [19k\]: b will lose 25 points
Ryuuichi [15k\]: f14
ESGC2006 [-\]: So the plays up till m15 are corrupt!
norsupossu [16k\]: orsp has learned to look at the score estimate
Hoshiman [6k\]: F14 
myself [4k\]: well, at least we know how it ends
ESGC2006 [-\]: Thanks for joining
myself [4k\]: thanks ESGC2006, your robot brothers would be proud
Idn [4k\]: who win ?
Ryuuichi [15k\]: lol
ESGC2006 [-\]: White wins
Idn [4k\]: ok
myself [4k\]: w won, he took the ko at P1
norsupossu [16k\]: You think black is going to make ko to there too? i am not so sure about that
melonazo [13k\]: by resign?
ESGC2006 [-\]: In the end by resign, yes
AGASSI [?\]: White crushed black
norsupossu [16k\]: I am a clairvoyant
AGASSI [?\]: and only Brunni can stop him :))
ESGC2006 [-\]: See you tomorrow for rounds 5 and 6!
AGASSI [?\]: how did brunni play?
])))